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On non-arising.
Powerful.
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Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
This sounds rather confused to me. What do you find powerful, Yin?
Yin Ling
For me the “mere perception” is powerful. …
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William Lim
Yin Ling so "perception" here means designation?
William Lim
"Perception never really arises, or come into being, it never remains, and therefore it never ceases to be."
I thought perception arises due to causes and conditions?
Yin Ling
William Lim yap ur right. I would say arise due to conditions. Cause make it complicated.
Like
If u need 1000000 conditions to arise one “thing”, and if one of the
condition is not there the “thing” won’t manifest, can u say that
“thing” actually exist?
If it exist Where’s u wanna find that thing, in one of the 10000000 conditions? 
Then can u say that “thing” arise?
Like 
u need sun, u need an eye, eye consciousness, rain 
dust plus so many other conditions for a rainbow to appear.. so where
is the rainbow actually? U can point to it? Which condition has the
rainbow?
u need sun, u need an eye, eye consciousness, rain
dust plus so many other conditions for a rainbow to appear.. so where
is the rainbow actually? U can point to it? Which condition has the
rainbow? So Can u say the rainbow “arise”? Or remain ? Or cease ?
So if u see everything is like such rainbow, it is non-arising.
Never was there. Just an appearance due to coming together of a bunch of conditions
Idk if I’m confusing u?
William Lim
Yin Ling I think I get it.
Every
"thing" is a result of conditions, so there isn't really a "thing", not
one with inherent existence anyway. The "thing" is just a result of
conditions, and there is no "thingness" inside the thing.
If there isn't a "thing", then there isn't a thing to arise or cease.
Like that is it?
William Lim
I think sometimes I just cannot reconcile the words being used.
Conditions come together to arise or cease "things" mah.…
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William Lim
Yin Ling, great emoticon visual aid!
Yin Ling
William Lim I understand what u mean.
I contemplated this v long actually don’t understand why ppl say non arising
It v hard for me to explain but one day I was playing with some images in my mind creating an image of a tent 
with the 4 sticks holding each other up.. then suddenly I understnd the
“slanted sticks” are not really there existing. I can see “slanted
sticks” in the exact arrangement of a tent because of 3 other sticks. If
there is no 3 other sticks there’s no “slanted stick” in that exact
way. Same with other sticks.
with the 4 sticks holding each other up.. then suddenly I understnd the
“slanted sticks” are not really there existing. I can see “slanted
sticks” in the exact arrangement of a tent because of 3 other sticks. If
there is no 3 other sticks there’s no “slanted stick” in that exact
way. Same with other sticks. So
I took that understanding to everything else. Like a cup. There is no
cup. I only see a cup appearing because of so many conditions. There is
no “cup” as such. Not even there. My mind put it together so I have a
perception.
Hahahah I am going to confused u now 
until now I still cannot explain how I come to this insight
until now I still cannot explain how I come to this insightWilliam Lim
Yin Ling, appreciate that you keep trying to explain the unexplainable... What u describe feels very "total exertion" to me 
Yin Ling
William Lim
hahaha very hard actually need ask John tan he can explain better . But
usually if one keep investigating somehow the understanding will come..
that’s my xp la.
