[Sent excerpts from a new book about X teacher]
[10:53 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: I think still one mind in the end
[10:53 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: What's that?
[10:54 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: X teacher latest book.. i think he went from I AM to nondual in his X experience
[10:55 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: U see, proclamation like no beginning or no ending, no life and no death, no this and no that...all these r useless.
[10:56 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: When we mature our insight and wisdom, we must separate experience and conventional expressions.
[10:57 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: We must train ourselves to understand that we r really talking in a conventional context. What do u mean by no external and internal, no body?
[10:57 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: Ur body is obviously there right?
[10:58 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: When u say u can feel ur body anymore, what do u mean by that? It is an experience...what exactly happened?
[10:59 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: In mind body dropped, in concentration, what happened actually? For the experience that the body disappears?
[11:00 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: So it can b an experience or it can be an insight in emptiness.
[11:00 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Oic.. so his is more like experience right
[11:00 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: No mind
[11:00 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: But still seeing i amness as ultimate reality
[11:02 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: That is not important, the importance is whether it is an experience or is it an insight. That we clearly through the causes and the conditions of the arising phenomena.
[11:03 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: Otherwise it is just confusion under the same karmic influence of seeing essence and entities.
[11:06 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: U can have an experience of I Mness, u can have an experience of mind body dropped. But that is different from seeing through mind and seeing through body and the experiences that come with such insight.
[11:07 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[11:07 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Yeah my impression is that his is more on experience.. no mind experience but one mind view
[11:07 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: But he talks about emptiness view
[11:07 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: In earlier chapter. Just cant seem to have the direct insight of anatta
[Sent excerpts from X teacher about emptiness view]
[11:07 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: He said X
[11:19 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: He seems to turn emptiness into a ground
[11:23 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: There r two. This is like what Greg said. Mistaking emptiness as Awareness esp when someone experiences I M.
The other is seeing through mental constructs and conventions, releasing first the background then the foreground, experiences turn not only non-dual but illusion, without beginning or ending.
[11:26 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: Yeah but is emptiness teaching a mere teaching of disassociation from phenomena into non-dual witnessing?
[11:27 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: No, one must also realise the emptiness of awareness
[11:30 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: I do not know about dzogchen [comments by Soh: Dzogchen teacher Prabodha Yogi and Abhaya Devi seems clear about no mind/no mirror] but in Zen it is clear. However although Zen is about no mind 无心, the view about it may not b clear as experience that priority over view.
[11:30 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: Takes priority
[11:31 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Mahamudra leh
[11:32 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: It took me some time to appreciate the teaching of emptiness post my anatta insight...it is actually a very gradual process...I like mahamudra.
[11:32 AM, 4/10/2020] Soh Wei Yu: I dont think X teacher see through background
[11:33 AM, 4/10/2020] John Tan: Means the integration of my anatta insight and seeing it from emptiness teaching perspective. Only then we realize how much more "solidity" the mind still hold..