Soh

Mr. R wrote: "Greetings all. Hope this finds you awake and living in bliss...

Random post... I often get the thought (I'd much rather be dead)... It's not accompanied by a sharp unpleasant feeling like in the past.
In discussion with friends who aren't interested in "awakening" they say how much they love life and want to live for as long as possible. I tell them I'm good to go today. And I mean it... I don't think I'm depressed. A friend tells me I'm very detached (which is probably true)... I don't easily experience pleasant emotions with and around people. I think a lot of people like me but I often don't remember people... I go out a lot and am very friendly and talkative.
I find people talk a lot about stuff that is of no interest to me so I find myself on my own most of the time. I do like music though but also try to limit my use as my primary interest is waking up (I think). But watching non duality videos on line also gets me down... it's hard hard work to be hearing so many perspectives on waking up. Angelo D is my favourite channel but I listen to about 15 or 20 speakers...
At 39 I've never been in a romantic relationship but have written a book about how to meet people for relationships... I have had many casual encounters as I don't get the feelings that are essential for people to want to be around each other.
I'd say I'm very open, calm, relaxed, casual... I don't care too much about stuff generally.
I know that meditation is probably the best thing to do for awakening but for whatever reason I can't develop a practice. I think I would have to leave society for a special meditation place... (I'm an all or nothing person, not a person of balance).
I like writing, reading on topics of interest, festivals, parties... I earn enough money to not have to do much work so my time is my own. I think many people think my life is awesome and it might be but I'd still much rather not be alive.
What is so wrong with being alive? The pain that is caused largely by thoughts... Especially the thought of "who I am." I'm not particularly good looking, I'm skinny, dropped out of school aged 14, move and travel a lot, don't feel motivated to really improve my circumstances (except from time to time)...
Something I hear quite a lot is that I'm a very nice person and I can see why... I am... I do a lot of good for people. Possibly because I'm afraid of people and if they like me there's less likely to be problems. I accept people and don't judge... I give everyone the benefit of the doubt and want everyone to be happy. Really! I wish God could turn up the dial on happiness and turn down the dial on unhappiness... People who have ailments and are suffering more than me still want to live... Yet I have a pain-free body and decent living circumstances and would rather not be alive... (possibly because I'm not connected to anyone or anything?)
I guess I just need to retreat somewhere and meditate until life gets better lol. If anyone has any suggestions, or if they feel the same, would be great to hear from you.
Many thanks
R"
 
 
Soh replied: 
 
"Hi and thanks for sharing.

Just my 2 cents, probably others can advise better.

You said: " for whatever reason I can't develop a practice."

You can if you continue and work on it. Highly recommend finding a qualified and awakened teacher too. It takes time to develop but it is just like going to gym. It becomes a habit eventually. It has to build into a momentum, and then it becomes automatic.

"What is so wrong with being alive? The pain that is caused largely by thoughts... Especially the thought of "who I am." I'm not particularly good looking, I'm skinny, dropped out of school aged 14, move and travel a lot, don't feel motivated to really improve my circumstances (except from time to time)... "

There's two parts to this, suffering cause by false identification, which spiritual awakening can indeed cure. The other is issues regarding your life circumstances. There is also no guarantee when spiritual awakening might happen (it can certainly happen at any time, it can take months or years [for me] before even an initial awakening happens), but if you practice and contemplate with an earnest desire to discover your true nature, it is definitely very achievable and many have done so. Life after awakening, especially after anatta, is truly wonderful as I wrote in https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/04/why-awakening-is-so-worth-it.html . Other than seeing through false identity, you also discover your essence, unfabricated instant Presence or pure Consciousness, the aspect of Luminosity. If you discover this and taste this in life, in both background and foreground, life becomes very blissful.. and serves as an important basis for further insights (into anatman, dependent origination and emptiness).

However, this does not mean you should stop working on your circumstances. Spirituality and spiritual awakening should not be taken as a magical pill that transforms all your circumstances in life. You should still continue to work to improve yourself, your life circumstances. In other words, we should not have fantasies that life just 'magically gets better' if we merely meditate. Meditation is important and especially crucial for awakening, but it is hardly the be-all and end-all solution to every issue in life. That kind of naive view easily becomes some kind of spiritual escapism or spiritual by-passing.

Tommy McNally, our admin, wrote: "Tommy McNally:
““I was a fucking mess for years. Last October, I made the decision to change that once and for all: I quit smoking cigarettes, quit SSRI's, and started getting up at 0500, exercising, and eating cleaner.
On the 26th of July this year, I started going to the gym for weightlifting and cardio. Yesterday was my 100th session.
The difference that exercise, a better diet and a consistent, non-negotiable routine makes - physically, mentally and spiritually - cannot be overstated.
I've never mentioned any of this publicly and I'm not posting this for kudos. I'm posting this because if I can do it, then so can you.”
- https://www.facebook.com/100055831473323/posts/326782622526118/ "

You said: "I tell them I'm good to go today. And I mean it... I don't think I'm depressed. "

Maybe low level depression and partly due to issues of identity as you described above. If you are truly suicidal (which based on what you expressed, you are not) then you will have to seek immediate professional help, but even if your 'depression' is a minor one, it can and should be dealt with, and spirituality can be part of (although not entirety of) the tools to improve your mental health. Lack of motivation is also a symptom of depression.

I often send this video to people suffering from depression. I am not a fan of Jordon Peterson, not in the sense that I am against Jordon Peterson but because I have not listened or read enough of his talks to form an opinion for/against him, although I am aware he is a somewhat controversial figure for other reasons. But I agree very much with his suggestions here on depression (and I am simply raising this video on the basis of his credentials as a licensed Clinical Psychologist, not on anything else: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlDgowUAyx4 )

You said: " Really! I wish God could turn up the dial on happiness and turn down the dial on unhappiness... "

That is good. In Buddhism, the purpose of spiritual awakening is not only about happiness in this life and not just for oneself. In Buddhism, and I consider myself and many consider themselves Buddhists here, our aim is not just 'happiness in this life' but 'freedom from cyclic existence/samsaric cycle of rebirths' and for Mahayana practitioners, our aim is to attain Buddhahood for the benefit of all sentient beings.

John Tan, 2006: "Life is like a passing cloud, when it comes to an end, a hundred years is like yesterday, like a snap of a finger. If it is only about one life, it really doesn’t matter whether we are enlightened. The insight that the Blessed One has is not just about one life; countless lives we suffered, life after life, unending…Such is suffering.

It is not about logic or science and there is really no point arguing in this scientific age. Take steps in practice and experience the truth of Buddha’s words. Of the 3 dharma seals, the truth of ‘suffering’ to me is most difficult to experience in depth.

May all take Buddha’s words seriously."

Related: https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2018/07/on-supernatural-powers-or-siddhis.html

Also see my comments below for more.
 
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Also, almost all who awakened through AtR (more than 60) are lay persons, they are not monastics, monks, nuns or hermits. They live lay life, have spouses and children and a livelihood in the secular world. And they awakened. All except one Theravada monk who lives in Indonesia and he awakened to anatta after contemplating on AtR pointers.

Thrangu Rinpoche said:

“The Mahamudra teachings are easy to practice – they are special and superior. If pupils wish to practice Vajrayana, they certainly have the aspiration to follow these teachings. During the times of Buddha Shakyamuni, devotees would spend their entire life practicing the teachings and would beg for their food instead of working for their living. During those times, one wealthy family would feed 1000, 2000, or even 3000 monks and supply them with their daily needs, so wealthy householders would accumulate merit by enabling monks to practice. This is not the custom anymore and begging is considered a bad way of earning one’s living nowadays. So people have to have a job and work for their living, which is good. Working does not stand in opposition to the Dharma, because it is possible to have a good job. Some people do experience a contradiction and think, “I am working and cannot practice the Dharma and when I practice meditation it is bad for my work.” What puts an end to this feeling? Mahamudra meditation. By practicing Mahamudra meditation and integrating one’s experiences in one’s life, working for one’s living does not stop one from practicing Dharma and practicing Dharma does not interfere with one’s job. So, Mahamudra is especially beneficial during these times. When I travel to America and Europe, I always give the Mahamudra teachings, because I feel that they are very beneficial for people living in these times.



There were 84 Mahasiddhas in India, who each lived a different kind of life. They gained accomplishments by practicing Mahamudra. King Indrabhuti, for example, was very wealthy; he ruled over an extensive kingdom and was involved with many activities that were necessary in order meet all his obligations. But his many duties did not stop him from practicing the Dharma, because he was practicing Mahamudra. He ruled while practicing Mahamudra and became a great Mahasiddha, an accomplished being. Nagarjuna was a great scholar who composed many texts; he used sharp logic and clear reasoning to refute erroneous ways. He wrote treatises that people could accept. Even if they didn’t totally agree, many people were different after they read his treatises, because they felt, “This is right. This is correct. This is how one should think.” Nagarjuna had many pupils and wrote many books, but teaching and writing were not obstacles to his practice, because he was practising Mahamudra. Tilopa made his living by grinding and pounding sesame seeds. He became a Mahasiddha by practising Mahamudra meditation while pounding the sesame seeds to win oil to pay for his living.



It doesn’t matter what kind of job one has – whether one works as a scholar or as a servant – one can practice Mahamudra. Whether one is a man or a woman, one can gain the result of Mahamudra meditation. I think it is a very beneficial practice and I want to give these teachings to you with this good intention. Sometimes I teach The Concise Words of Mahamudra by Naropa, or The Mahamudra Teachings Given along the Ganges River by Tilopa, or Moonbeams of Mahamudra by Dhagpo Tashi Namgyal. This time I will present the Mahamudra teachings according to “The Short Dorje Chang Lineage Prayer.” It is a very fortunate occasion to be able to teach this and it will be very beneficial to receive it, to practice it, and to gain benefits from it. I am very happy to give Mahamudra teachings at this time.”
 
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On compassion and bodhicitta, something I wrote elsewhere:

Since childhood, I have felt a deep connection to Avalokiteśvara Bodhisattva and Ārya Tārā, both embodiments of compassion. I cannot forget the dreams, miraculous visions, and encounters I've had with them, all carrying the message to practice compassion and help others. I am always moved when I think of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, not only for their teachings but also for their compassion. It is my sincere wish that all sentient beings be liberated from samsara. I also hope that everyone can embody the qualities of both compassion and wisdom.

In Buddhism, it is said that wisdom and compassion are like the two wings of a bird. A bird needs both wings to fly straight, and similarly, the path to the Middle Way (between the extremes of inherent existence and nothingness) requires the wings of wisdom and compassion. Wisdom prevents us from falling into the extreme of inherent existence by realizing the absence of inherentness, while compassion prevents us from falling into the extreme of nihilism by recognizing suffering and wishing for it to cease. When one actualizes their true nature, compassion naturally arises upon realizing that beings suffer due to not recognizing their true nature.

As John Tan said in 2014, 'After you have glimpses into twofold [emptiness], start to look into compassion. Take small steps at a time and start to understand what compassion means… like practicing anatta and emptiness. …You must have enough rest, stabilize twofold [emptiness], and develop your compassion and sense of reverence towards things step by step. It will bring you to a new height. I am having zero concern of anatta and twofold… it is so natural and relaxed, with added new sources of joyful energy, don’t know from where. Like a brilliant ball of light radiating with joyous flow of energy. …If self-sprung appearance is natural [state] and [is] liberating but lacks a reverent and compassionate heart, then you must practice metta [loving-kindness].'

It should however be understood that the traditional term, relative Bodhicitta in Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism also implies the aspiration and intention to attain Buddhahood (full awakening) for the benefit of all sentient beings, and is not merely the practice of compassion. Ultimate Bodhicitta is the insight into emptiness. Both are indispensable components on the path to full awakening (Buddhahood). As mentioned by Acarya Malcolm Smith:

First, one generates bodhicitta, the desire to liberate all sentient beings from samsara. This has two aspects, ultimate and relative. The relative aspect refers to the aspiration, and then practicing the six perfections. Ultimate bodhicitta means practicing śamatha and vipaśyanā.

One practices these two bodhicitta together, until one realizes emptiness. This is the first bodhisattva bhumi. One continues to practice, until the practice of vipaśyanā has eradicated all traces of affliction (desire, hatred, and ignorance). This happens conventionally, at the seventh bhumi. Ultimately, has eradicated all traces of grasping to personal and phenomena identity, and one attains the omniscience of buddhahood, this happens when one transitions from being a tenth stage bodhisattva to buddhahood. A buddha is a totally realized person. There is no other kind of totally or fully realized person.”

In Mahayana Buddhism, it is essential to give rise to Bodhicitta, the aspiration to attain Buddhahood for the sake of all beings, and to make the Bodhisattva vow to lead all sentient beings across to the shore of liberation. I appreciate Albert Hong’s response to someone who asked, ‘How can I get over knowing that all my loved ones may reincarnate for many lifetimes and suffer due to their ignorance? It's like watching your child touch the fire, burn, and not let go. I feel this for everyone, but it's even harder for my loved ones.' Albert replied, ‘You make a vow to create interdependent connections with all those beings whom you love and are connected with—through seeing, touching, feeling, smelling, etc. And by your hand, your personal mindstream alone, you will come back to help them cultivate virtuous minds and realize wisdom for their liberation. You also make the vow for yourself to develop the capacity to force continuity across lifetimes and to have the skillful means to respond according to their specific needs. You make the vow to do whatever is appropriate to help them. If you need to be a bridge, you are a bridge. If you need to be a toilet, you are a toilet. In any case, you make that vow, you aspire, and you make it the fuel for your practice—your bodhicitta. Liberation only matters because we can then have the free energy to help others. Make the vow.’

The Diamond Sutra also taught, “The Buddha said to Subhuti: “The bodhisattvas and mahasattvas should thus subdue their thoughts: All the different types of sentient beings, whether they are born from eggs, from wombs, from moisture, or by transformation; whether or not they have form; whether they have thoughts or no thoughts, or have neither thought nor non-thought, I will liberate them by leading them to nirvana without residue. When immeasurable, countless, infinite numbers of sentient beings have been liberated, in reality, no sentient beings have been liberated. Why is this so? Subhuti, if bodhisattvas abide in the notions of a self, a person, a sentient being, or a life span, they are not bodhisattvas.””

In Dzogchen, it is said that our basis, our nature, has the qualities of purity (i.e. emptiness), spontaneity (lhun grub, associated with luminous clarity), and compassion (thugs rje).

In my opinion, all three are equally important. To focus solely on emptiness while neglecting luminous clarity can lead to an intellectualized view of emptiness, or even nihilism. On the other hand, emphasizing luminous clarity without understanding emptiness can result in eternalist views, where luminosity is reified as an essence or substratum. Focusing on both emptiness and clarity but neglecting compassion, the spontaneous responsiveness of our nature, results in an incomplete realization of our nature in action. Conceiving of radiance apart from activities and manifestations reifies it as having self-nature, thus not fully penetrating its empty nature. Furthermore, if your being is not filled with spontaneous compassion, you miss out the heart. However, to focus on compassion without wisdom and clarity leads to what could be called foolish compassion—compassion without discernment. This is just my personal understanding, as I am not a Dzogchen teacher.



Andre A Pais shared:

PLACING ALL BEINGS IN SUCHNESS A Bodhisattva should not train in the same way in which persons belonging to the vehicle of the arhats and Pratyekabuddas are trained. How then are the arhats and Pratyekabuddhas trained? They make up their minds that ‘one single self we shall tame, one single self we shall pacify, one single self we shall lead to final nirvana’ ....A Bodhisattva should certainly not in such a way train himself. On the contrary, he should train himself thus: ‘My own self I will place into Suchness, and, so that all the world might be helped, I will also place all beings into Suchness, and I will lead to nirvana the whole immeasurable world of beings’. ~ The Perfection of Wisdom Sutra in 8,000 Verses

 What is criticized here is not the validity of the realization of the arhats and pratyekabuddhas, but their limited scope. The Perfection of Wisdom in 25,000 verses compares the arhats and pratyekabuddhas to glow-worms, and the bodhisattvas to the sun.⁵⁷ Both have kindled the flame of enlightenment, but the formers’ light only illuminates their own immediate surroundings, whereas that of the latter can potentially light up the whole world.
~ Jan Westerhoff

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On the subject of rebirth, I just shared the other day something Sim Pern Chong wrote before, to showcase that not only the Buddha himself but countless practitioners since Buddha has recalled numberless past lives:

"Sim Pern Chong shared some of them in our group, and he has gone through the same phases of realizations (I AM, nondual, anatta and emptiness)...
https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2018/07/on-supernatural-powers-or-siddhis.html

...Sim Pern Chong remembered many of his past lives in incredible details as he relived his past lives and not merely recalled vague scenes. He also knew how his current life wife, daughter, etc were related to him in his previous lives, also his daughter exhibits psychic ability even at a young age (John Tan commented the child seems just like the father). He actually was a Nyingma monk who practiced Dzogchen two lifetimes ago. I think he told me before about practicing in the Tibetan highlands overlooking vast expanse. This life, he got acquinted with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche again in 2012 when I told him to join me for that retreat. But it explains his interest in Dzogchen even way back in maybe early 2000s.

Being a Tibetan monk in that lifetime, that means he surely had taken refuge, made bodhicitta aspiration etc in his previous life. But that didn't mean he could attain liberation in that lifetime, as most people do not. Nor did he realise anatta or emptiness or attain first bhumi, etc. In fact he remember that he only attained the I AM realization in his Tibetan monk lifetime, which was the first life he was into spirituality (the previous lifetimes before that had events leading up or causing his spiritual search in subsequent life but I shall digress).

In the immediate past life, he did not encounter Buddhism but was reborn in western Europe, I believe France. He was fighting in world war 1 in the trenches in a scene which he relived, meaning it was incredibly real and vividly experienced as if he was 'there' again, and in that scene he could recall running across trenches, pausing for a while and thinking of his wife (I think), a sad scene. This caused some trauma for him and explained his anxieties about war in this life, and his past life recall helped solve his traumas. In that lifetime, he also realised I AM only and was involved in mysticism, which explained his current lifetime links with the mystical groups prior to meeting John Tan.

Having I AM realization does not ensure some kind of mastery of rebirth or something like that. It is not even the first bhumi. That being said, Sim Pern Chong did recall some subconscious level (which he call 'Alaya') planning or blueprint of rebirth prior to appearing in this life. I actually had that sort of impression before, a brief one, of the spiritual purpose of my incarnation, as if there was some kind of plan or purpose. But I certainly am not a conscious emanation of some high level being, flawless, that was enlightened from birth.
This life, he came to know John Tan through an internet forum in 2004 and realised anatta and emptiness.

Malcolm said those who encounter Dzogchen teachings have had past life karmic connections with the teachings. Most practitioners that do their due diligence will attain liberation at the bardo. The very "lousy" ones will attain liberation within three lifetimes, so it does not mean you know Dzogchen then that means we are 'advanced' or special. It means we are the most lousy practitioners and didn't get liberated in the bardo or attain rainbow body in the previous life. Maybe we all had such links from previous lifetimes.

(2024 Update by Soh:

Sim shared: For the benefit of whoever is reading this.. i share my personal experiences of relive past live occurrences.

In a previous life, I adopt a stray dog as a young boy. Then WW1 broke out and i got conscripted as infantry soldier. Dog at home died due to no care. In this life, dog becomes someone that i have to take care of. This is how karma works. It doesn't really take into account that i was forced to leave in a drafted war.
In another ancient life, i am in a group of medical trainee. A captured or slave woman.. i really dunno.. i just watch the scene as a first person... was disected alive. In this life, this woman becomes someone that i have endure hardship with. This is karma... and it again did not take into account that the trainees where forced to perform the dissection.

Those that use mouth to direct the orders.. they do not incurr the direct karma of the 'hands-on' task of the subordinates. This is how dark forces manipulate karma for god know how long.. possibly even before there were modern day humans.
These are not well articulated in traditional religious text.. because i believe many 'teachers' do not really go deep into the alaya. Most 'teachers' are just parroting 'teachings'. Realising no-self can be experienced in the sense sphere.. the alaya is a different kind of penetration .. it is penetration into the unseen realms of consciousness. Nothing beats the knowledge from direct perception.

... Hmm.. i really dunno. My approach is just a fine balancing act between finding insights and yet keeping the mind open minded. That is how i progressed.
On a certain level, the knowledge of these are already there.. it is just blocked from the regular attention. I am at times also frustrated that the full awareness is not available. As a side note, i have been rebuked by a Being conveyed through a very wierd encounter where someone called me and then suddenly says his mentoring spirit guide wants to talk to me. And then the spirit guide took over the other guy and tell me how much i have forgotten and need to recover fuller memories.

I think Achan Brahm has direct understanding of this area.. but he is kept by samaya to not reveal any psychic ability. I saw in one of his recent video that he mentioned that he is frustrated by not being able to talk about past lives of his own.) note: Achan Brahm = Ajahn Brahmavamso

(Another update, 2024: Sim Pern Chong shared also, “ Sound also may seem to have a finer counterpart..

I also hv bleed thru of other live..That is why i post alot about wars.. eg ukraine-russia conflict. End of last year, tracing unknown anxiety, i literally relive a seemingly medival setting where i was a defender n then the 'enemies' rushed forward..but instead of seeing able-bodied combatants. all i saw were old and crippled men.. This is the cause of the anxiety...what shld i do? Strike them ..but my conscience say otherwise. This is the cause of anxiety..dunno what to do next. Next moment, the main enemy force comes from our side...fast and furious. End of vision.

What frustrates me..is that thousand year latter, the same tactic n shit is still being used in ukraine-russia conflict. The fact that nothing has changed tells that samsara is hopeless..”)
 
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daniel ingram:

As to world-cycles or the like, my past life experiences line up along the following lines, if you believe in such experiences having validity:
1) This life human.
2) Last life some sort of moderately powerful, clearly somewhat debauched male jealous god/sorcerer of some kind that was stabbed in the back with a dagger by a woman who he had wronged in some way, I think.
3) Some sort of mother skunk-like animal that was eaten by a large black dog or wolf.
4) Some sort of mother bat that was killed when the rock it was clinging to at the top of the cave fell to the floor.
5) Some sort of grim, gigantic, armored skeletal titan-like thing that ran tirelessly through space swinging a gigantic sword and doing battle nearly continuously without sleep for hundreds of thousands of years that was killed by something like a dragon.
6) Some gigantic, gelatinous, multi-tentacled, very alien being living in a very dark place for a very long time, probably under water, I think.
Other than some sense that the skunk-thing and the bat-thing were virtuous mothers, I have no sense that there was any profound previous dharmic development at least back that far, and, in fact, have the distinct sense that the previous one was a bit of a cad and not very ethical. Take that all for what you will.”
Daniel" 
 

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Also, I agree with ChatGPT’s advise here:
“I’m really sorry to hear about your friend’s struggles. Based on what they’ve shared, therapy may indeed be more effective than meditation in addressing their current challenges. Here’s why: 1. Understanding the Issues: Your friend is experiencing complex feelings, including thoughts about not wanting to be alive, detachment from others, and difficulties forming meaningful relationships. These feelings can be multifaceted and may stem from various underlying factors such as past experiences, personality traits, or unaddressed emotional needs. 2. Benefits of Therapy: • Professional Guidance: A licensed therapist can help your friend explore and understand the root causes of their feelings. Through techniques like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), they can work on changing negative thought patterns. • Emotional Support: Therapy provides a safe space to express and process emotions, which can be particularly beneficial for someone feeling detached or isolated. • Developing Coping Strategies: Therapists can equip your friend with tools to manage distressing thoughts and improve their overall mental well-being. • Addressing Specific Issues: If there are underlying issues such as anxiety, existential concerns, or relationship difficulties, therapy can target these areas directly. 3. Role of Meditation: • Complementary Practice: While meditation can enhance mindfulness, reduce stress, and improve emotional regulation, it may not address deeper psychological issues on its own. • Building a Practice: Given your friend’s mention of struggling to develop a consistent meditation practice, therapy might help them explore barriers to mindfulness and find more sustainable ways to integrate it into their life. 4. Social Connection: • Therapeutic Relationships: Building a trusting relationship with a therapist can help counter feelings of detachment and provide a sense of connection. • Support Networks: Therapists can also guide your friend in developing healthier relationships and improving social interactions. 5. Safety Considerations: • Addressing Suicidal Thoughts: Even if your friend doesn’t identify as depressed, expressing thoughts like “I’d much rather be dead” is serious and warrants professional attention to ensure their safety and well-being. Recommendation: Encourage your friend to reach out to a mental health professional. Therapy can provide personalized support tailored to their unique experiences and needs. Additionally, integrating meditation as a complementary practice within a therapeutic framework might enhance their overall progress. Supporting Your Friend: • Listen and Validate: Let them know you care and are there to support them without judgment. • Encourage Professional Help: Gently suggest seeking therapy and offer to help them find resources if they’re open to it. • Stay Connected: Regular check-ins can make a significant difference in how supported they feel. Remember, while meditation has its benefits, the complexity of your friend’s feelings and experiences suggests that professional therapy would likely be more effective in addressing their current struggles.”
 
Soh

On compassion and bodhicitta, something I wrote elsewhere:

Since childhood, I have felt a deep connection to Avalokiteśvara Bodhisattva and Ārya Tārā, both embodiments of compassion. I cannot forget the dreams, miraculous visions, and encounters I've had with them, all carrying the message to practice compassion and help others. I am always moved when I think of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, not only for their teachings but also for their compassion. It is my sincere wish that all sentient beings be liberated from samsara. I also hope that everyone can embody the qualities of both compassion and wisdom.

In Buddhism, it is said that wisdom and compassion are like the two wings of a bird. A bird needs both wings to fly straight, and similarly, the path to the Middle Way (between the extremes of inherent existence and nothingness) requires the wings of wisdom and compassion. Wisdom prevents us from falling into the extreme of inherent existence by realizing the absence of inherentness, while compassion prevents us from falling into the extreme of nihilism by recognizing suffering and wishing for it to cease. When one actualizes their true nature, compassion naturally arises upon realizing that beings suffer due to not recognizing their true nature.

As John Tan said in 2014, 'After you have glimpses into twofold [emptiness], start to look into compassion. Take small steps at a time and start to understand what compassion means… like practicing anatta and emptiness. …You must have enough rest, stabilize twofold [emptiness], and develop your compassion and sense of reverence towards things step by step. It will bring you to a new height. I am having zero concern of anatta and twofold… it is so natural and relaxed, with added new sources of joyful energy, don’t know from where. Like a brilliant ball of light radiating with joyous flow of energy. …If self-sprung appearance is natural [state] and [is] liberating but lacks a reverent and compassionate heart, then you must practice metta [loving-kindness].'

It should however be understood that the traditional term, relative Bodhicitta in Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism also implies the aspiration and intention to attain Buddhahood (full awakening) for the benefit of all sentient beings, and is not merely the practice of compassion. Ultimate Bodhicitta is the insight into emptiness. Both are indispensable components on the path to full awakening (Buddhahood). As mentioned by Acarya Malcolm Smith:

First, one generates bodhicitta, the desire to liberate all sentient beings from samsara. This has two aspects, ultimate and relative. The relative aspect refers to the aspiration, and then practicing the six perfections. Ultimate bodhicitta means practicing śamatha and vipaśyanā.

One practices these two bodhicitta together, until one realizes emptiness. This is the first bodhisattva bhumi. One continues to practice, until the practice of vipaśyanā has eradicated all traces of affliction (desire, hatred, and ignorance). This happens conventionally, at the seventh bhumi. Ultimately, has eradicated all traces of grasping to personal and phenomena identity, and one attains the omniscience of buddhahood, this happens when one transitions from being a tenth stage bodhisattva to buddhahood. A buddha is a totally realized person. There is no other kind of totally or fully realized person.”

In Mahayana Buddhism, it is essential to give rise to Bodhicitta, the aspiration to attain Buddhahood for the sake of all beings, and to make the Bodhisattva vow to lead all sentient beings across to the shore of liberation. I appreciate Albert Hong’s response to someone who asked, ‘How can I get over knowing that all my loved ones may reincarnate for many lifetimes and suffer due to their ignorance? It's like watching your child touch the fire, burn, and not let go. I feel this for everyone, but it's even harder for my loved ones.' Albert replied, ‘You make a vow to create interdependent connections with all those beings whom you love and are connected with—through seeing, touching, feeling, smelling, etc. And by your hand, your personal mindstream alone, you will come back to help them cultivate virtuous minds and realize wisdom for their liberation. You also make the vow for yourself to develop the capacity to force continuity across lifetimes and to have the skillful means to respond according to their specific needs. You make the vow to do whatever is appropriate to help them. If you need to be a bridge, you are a bridge. If you need to be a toilet, you are a toilet. In any case, you make that vow, you aspire, and you make it the fuel for your practice—your bodhicitta. Liberation only matters because we can then have the free energy to help others. Make the vow.’

The Diamond Sutra also taught, “The Buddha said to Subhuti: “The bodhisattvas and mahasattvas should thus subdue their thoughts: All the different types of sentient beings, whether they are born from eggs, from wombs, from moisture, or by transformation; whether or not they have form; whether they have thoughts or no thoughts, or have neither thought nor non-thought, I will liberate them by leading them to nirvana without residue. When immeasurable, countless, infinite numbers of sentient beings have been liberated, in reality, no sentient beings have been liberated. Why is this so? Subhuti, if bodhisattvas abide in the notions of a self, a person, a sentient being, or a life span, they are not bodhisattvas.””

In Dzogchen, it is said that our basis, our nature, has the qualities of purity (i.e. emptiness), spontaneity (lhun grub, associated with luminous clarity), and compassion (thugs rje).

In my opinion, all three are equally important. To focus solely on emptiness while neglecting luminous clarity can lead to an intellectualized view of emptiness, or even nihilism. On the other hand, emphasizing luminous clarity without understanding emptiness can result in eternalist views, where luminosity is reified as an essence or substratum. Focusing on both emptiness and clarity but neglecting compassion, the spontaneous responsiveness of our nature, results in an incomplete realization of our nature in action. Conceiving of radiance apart from activities and manifestations reifies it as having self-nature, thus not fully penetrating its empty nature. Furthermore, if your being is not filled with spontaneous compassion, you miss out the heart. However, to focus on compassion without wisdom and clarity leads to what could be called foolish compassion—compassion without discernment. This is just my personal understanding, as I am not a Dzogchen teacher.

Andre A Pais shared:


“ PLACING ALL BEINGS IN SUCHNESS


A Bodhisattva should not train in the same way in which persons belonging to the vehicle of the arhats and Pratyekabuddas are trained. How then are the arhats and Pratyekabuddhas trained? They make up their minds that ‘one single self we shall tame, one single self we shall pacify, one single self we shall lead to final nirvana’


....A Bodhisattva should certainly not in such a way train himself. On the contrary, he should train himself thus: ‘My own self I will place into Suchness, and, so that all the world might be helped, I will also place all beings into Suchness, and I will lead to nirvana the whole immeasurable world of beings’.


~ The Perfection of Wisdom Sutra in 8,000 Verses


What is criticized here is not the validity of the realization of the arhats and pratyekabuddhas, but their limited scope. The Perfection of Wisdom in 25,000 verses compares the arhats and pratyekabuddhas to glow-worms, and the bodhisattvas to the sun.⁵⁷ Both have kindled the flame of enlightenment, but the formers’ light only illuminates their own immediate surroundings, whereas that of the latter can potentially light up the whole world.


~ Jan Westerhoff”

Soh

I am sharing this article, written by ChatGPT, to emphasize the importance of proper guidance and a qualified teacher for spiritual practice. While I have been fortunate not to encounter any such negative effects from my own practice, I have observed others who experienced difficulties when practicing without proper instruction (however these people are not experiencing these difficulties as a result of following anything in AtR as far as I know). However, I am not endorsing Dr. Ainslie Meares’s particular method or technique, as I am not familiar with it.

On traumas, see: Good book on healing trauma and nondual realization

Also see: Finding An Awakened Spiritual Teacher and Mentor


ChatGPT:



### Meditation, Mental Health, and the Legacy of Dr. Ainslie Meares


Dr. Ainslie Meares, an Australian psychiatrist who made profound contributions to meditation as a therapeutic tool, was ahead of his time in recognizing both the immense potential and the risks of meditation. Active from the 1960s until his death in 1986, Meares developed a unique form of meditation called *Stillness Meditation Therapy* (SMT), which aimed to promote mental relaxation and reduce anxiety. However, as the statement under discussion suggests, Meares also warned about the dangers of practicing meditation without proper training, especially for individuals with preexisting mental health vulnerabilities. This essay will explore the accuracy of these claims in the context of Meares’ teachings, his therapeutic approach, and the broader understanding of meditation’s risks and benefits.


### The Dangers of Poorly Taught Meditation


Dr. Meares believed that meditation, when misunderstood or poorly taught, could lead to significant mental and emotional challenges. This observation is reflected in contemporary discussions around meditation, where it is widely acknowledged that improper or excessive meditation can result in adverse psychological effects. Meares was concerned that individuals who were already on the verge of a mental breakdown could easily mistake escapism or fantasy for meditation. This, in turn, could lead to a distorted sense of reality, worsening their emotional or psychological condition [oai_citation:12,Dr Ainslie Meares](https://stillnessmeditation.com.au/dr-ainslie-meares/) [oai_citation:11,Ainslie Meares - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainslie_Meares).


Meares' warnings are still relevant today. The rise of mindfulness and meditation in popular culture has made these practices more accessible, but without proper guidance, they can become superficial or even harmful. People may adopt practices they find online or in books without fully understanding the deeper psychological effects. This is especially true for those dealing with unresolved trauma, severe anxiety, or other mental health issues. When meditation is improperly practiced for long periods, or without the grounding of good instruction, individuals can become confused and emotionally destabilized, rather than achieving the calm and clarity that meditation promises.


### The Importance of Proper Instruction


Meares advocated for a structured approach to meditation, emphasizing the need for simple, clear instructions and gradual mastery of the practice. His method focused on achieving a state of profound relaxation, which he believed was the key to therapeutic benefits. This relaxation-based approach to meditation, known as *Stillness Meditation Therapy*, aimed to quiet the mind and allow the body to enter a state of healing. In this sense, Meares’ approach was more about calming the nervous system than about achieving altered states of consciousness or spiritual awakening [oai_citation:10,Ainslie Meares (March 3, 1910 — September 19, 1986), Australian psychiatrist, psychotherapist, authority on stress, scholars | 

                World Biographical Encyclopedia](https://prabook.com/web/ainslie.meares/1031338).


In this light, Meares’ advice to start with short meditation sessions until the practitioner becomes comfortable is well-grounded. Long periods of meditation, especially for those without proper experience, can be mentally overwhelming. This gradual approach helps prevent confusion or distress that can arise when one is unprepared for the deeper psychological states that meditation can induce. By learning in increments, practitioners are more likely to maintain a healthy balance between meditation and their daily lives [oai_citation:9,Biography - Ainslie Dixon Meares - Australian Dictionary of Biography](https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/meares-ainslie-dixon-14944).


### Mental Health Precautions and Supervision


Another important point raised by Meares, and reflected in modern meditation practices, is the need for individuals with mental health diagnoses to consult healthcare providers before starting meditation. Meares understood that certain psychological conditions, particularly those related to trauma, anxiety, and psychosis, could be exacerbated by meditation practices that unearth suppressed emotions or lead to heightened self-awareness. Meditation, when not properly supervised, could potentially destabilize these individuals [oai_citation:8,Dr Ainslie Meares](https://stillnessmeditation.com.au/dr-ainslie-meares/).


Meares’ call for mental health practitioners to be involved in the process reflects his broader philosophy that meditation is a powerful, but not universally safe, tool. He was one of the earliest proponents of integrating meditation with psychiatric care, a practice now more widely accepted in the fields of psychotherapy and psychiatry. Today, many mental health professionals incorporate mindfulness and meditation into treatment plans, but they do so with caution, particularly for patients with severe psychological disorders [oai_citation:7,Biography - Ainslie Dixon Meares - Australian Dictionary of Biography](https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/meares-ainslie-dixon-14944).


### Meares’ Method: Relaxation and Healing


Dr. Meares’ meditation method differed from many traditional techniques in that it focused specifically on relaxation, rather than more intensive forms of mental training. His technique was not designed to achieve enlightenment or spiritual experiences, but to promote deep mental stillness, which he believed could help alleviate stress, anxiety, and even physical conditions like cancer. His best-selling book, *Relief Without Drugs*, emphasizes the therapeutic potential of this method, describing how mental stillness can foster both psychological and physical healing [oai_citation:6,Ainslie Meares (March 3, 1910 — September 19, 1986), Australian psychiatrist, psychotherapist, authority on stress, scholars | 

                World Biographical Encyclopedia](https://prabook.com/web/ainslie.meares/1031338) [oai_citation:5,Ainslie Meares - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainslie_Meares).


Meares coined terms like *mental ataraxis* (meaning absence of disturbance of the mind) to describe the state of deep calm he aimed to induce in his patients. His approach was grounded in the belief that the body’s natural healing mechanisms could be activated through relaxation, an idea that aligns with modern research on the mind-body connection. Meditation, when used properly, has been shown to reduce stress, lower blood pressure, and improve overall well-being. Meares’ focus on relaxation rather than intense concentration or spiritual transformation made his method particularly accessible to those suffering from stress-related conditions [oai_citation:4,Ainslie Meares (March 3, 1910 — September 19, 1986), Australian psychiatrist, psychotherapist, authority on stress, scholars | 

                World Biographical Encyclopedia](https://prabook.com/web/ainslie.meares/1031338) [oai_citation:3,Biography - Ainslie Dixon Meares - Australian Dictionary of Biography](https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/meares-ainslie-dixon-14944).


### Conclusion


Dr. Ainslie Meares’ teachings on meditation offer a balanced and cautious view of its potential. He recognized that, while meditation could be deeply healing, it also carried risks when practiced without proper instruction or supervision. His advice to seek out good teachers, meditate in short intervals, and consult health professionals before starting a practice is still relevant today. By promoting a relaxation-based approach to meditation, Meares provided a safe and effective way for individuals to experience the benefits of mental stillness without the risks associated with more intense or improperly guided practices.


In an era where meditation is widely promoted, often without sufficient warnings, Meares’ insights into the potential dangers of improper meditation practices serve as a valuable reminder of the importance of proper instruction, gradual progress, and mental health supervision. His legacy continues to influence both the field of psychiatry and the broader world of meditation today [oai_citation:2,Biography - Ainslie Dixon Meares - Australian Dictionary of Biography](https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/meares-ainslie-dixon-14944) [oai_citation:1,Ainslie Meares (March 3, 1910 — September 19, 1986), Australian psychiatrist, psychotherapist, authority on stress, scholars | 

                World Biographical Encyclopedia](https://prabook.com/web/ainslie.meares/1031338).

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[9/9/24, 11:52:52 PM] John Tan: Ask u, if in a world where everything is uniformly blue in color, can u see blue?
[9/9/24, 11:53:13 PM] Yin Ling: Ahh.. then u won’t call it blue?
[9/9/24, 11:53:28 PM] Yin Ling: Must need a contrast
[9/9/24, 11:54:09 PM] John Tan: Yes.  If everything is uniformly blue, then we r blind to "blueness"
[9/9/24, 11:54:18 PM] Yin Ling: Ya
[9/9/24, 11:54:32 PM] Yin Ling: U trying to say…?🤣
[9/9/24, 11:54:53 PM] John Tan: So now if a different color is introduced into this world say white, what happened?
[9/9/24, 11:55:17 PM] Yin Ling: Then there’s blue and white 🤣
[9/9/24, 11:55:26 PM] John Tan: Lol yes
[9/9/24, 11:55:28 PM] Yin Ling: If just blue.. it’s .. whatever
[9/9/24, 11:55:32 PM] Yin Ling: No one will care
[9/9/24, 11:56:22 PM] John Tan: So without interaction between two objects our experience can change so radically
[9/9/24, 11:56:34 PM] Yin Ling: Yes ah
[9/9/24, 11:56:48 PM] Yin Ling: Don’t know suffering won’t know bliss 🤣
[9/9/24, 11:57:21 PM] John Tan: So can u see dependent arising without the need for interaction
[9/9/24, 11:57:44 PM] Yin Ling: Interaction means?
[9/9/24, 11:57:52 PM] Yin Ling: Ya like dependent designation
[9/9/24, 11:57:57 PM] John Tan: Contact between two objects
[9/9/24, 11:58:11 PM] Yin Ling: Oh I see
[9/9/24, 11:58:42 PM] Yin Ling: Yes ah, Dalai Lama specifically named that kind of dependent arising
[9/9/24, 11:58:59 PM] Yin Ling: I think he named 4-5 kinds in detail
[9/9/24, 11:59:11 PM] John Tan: Now if two objects travel at 80km/hr were to move at same speed in the same direction, they appear stationary
[9/9/24, 11:59:13 PM] Yin Ling: Causal one is most gross
[9/9/24, 11:59:40 PM] Yin Ling: The designation. Long short white black etc. then mind and forms
[9/9/24, 11:59:43 PM] Yin Ling: Yes
[10/9/24, 12:00:21 AM] John Tan: Now if u introduce a stationary object, suddenly motion is experienced.
[10/9/24, 12:00:32 AM] Yin Ling: Yup
[10/9/24, 12:00:36 AM] John Tan: Not as concept but as lived experience
[10/9/24, 12:00:46 AM] Yin Ling: Yup
[10/9/24, 12:01:02 AM] John Tan: So can u tell which is moving?
[10/9/24, 12:01:26 AM] John Tan: Is the stationary object moving or the 80km object?
[10/9/24, 12:01:27 AM] Yin Ling: When two is moving sometimes its hard to tell unless one is rooted
[10/9/24, 12:01:44 AM] Yin Ling: Like sometimes u think the trees are moving on the road when you drive
[10/9/24, 12:01:53 AM] Yin Ling: As a kid
[10/9/24, 12:02:25 AM] Yin Ling: The 80km moving object is moving ?
[10/9/24, 12:02:40 AM] John Tan: U can't know
[10/9/24, 12:02:46 AM] John Tan: Motion is relative
[10/9/24, 12:03:01 AM] Yin Ling: Huh
[10/9/24, 12:03:06 AM] Yin Ling: Confused lol
[10/9/24, 12:03:30 AM] John Tan: U will not know which is moving although motion is experienced
[10/9/24, 12:03:53 AM] Yin Ling: Oh if u have nothing to compare
[10/9/24, 12:03:55 AM] John Tan: We often think we know things through its properties inherent in things, but it was never like that
[10/9/24, 12:04:26 AM] Yin Ling: Meaning if we move at 80km/h but there is nothing else that moves at a different speed we can’t tell motion?
[10/9/24, 12:04:28 AM] Yin Ling: Right
[10/9/24, 12:04:45 AM] Yin Ling: But when there’s a rooted object then there’s relative motion
[10/9/24, 12:04:53 AM] John Tan: The 80km/hr is never in the thing itself nor is the movement or stationary
[10/9/24, 12:05:04 AM] Yin Ling: Oh yes that is correct
[10/9/24, 12:05:33 AM] John Tan: It requires a relational or dependencies
[10/9/24, 12:05:52 AM] Yin Ling: Correct
[10/9/24, 12:06:07 AM] John Tan: Now is there such a thing call emptiness without dependent arising?
[10/9/24, 12:06:19 AM] Yin Ling: Ahahah no
[10/9/24, 12:06:33 AM] Yin Ling: It is empty coz it dependently arise
[10/9/24, 12:07:04 AM] John Tan: Ppl like to talk just about emptiness as one truth. But fluxing insubstantiality means dependency
[10/9/24, 12:07:39 AM] Yin Ling: Yeah emptiness essentially already means no one truth
[10/9/24, 12:07:52 AM] John Tan: When u see change even like the ethereal rainbow, it involves parts
[10/9/24, 12:08:11 AM] Yin Ling: Yeah
[10/9/24, 12:09:11 AM] John Tan: Like though sensations, smell, thoughts...etc.  u can pin it... insubstantial and flux...seemingly doesn't involve parts
[10/9/24, 12:09:21 AM] John Tan: But it involve parts
[10/9/24, 12:09:26 AM] Yin Ling: Yeah
[10/9/24, 12:09:34 AM] Yin Ling: Gravity
[10/9/24, 12:09:35 AM] John Tan: U can't pin down
[10/9/24, 12:09:57 AM] John Tan: I mean even if u can't pin down it involves parts
[10/9/24, 12:09:58 AM] Yin Ling: Yeah it seemingly doesn’t involve parts
[10/9/24, 12:10:16 AM] Yin Ling: Yeah
[10/9/24, 12:10:20 AM] Yin Ling: Makes sense
[10/9/24, 12:11:07 AM] John Tan: When we say where does sound arise, in the air, the stick, the bell or in the brain or in the insubstantial mind
[10/9/24, 12:11:54 AM] John Tan: We r dealing with dependent and relational parts
[10/9/24, 12:12:50 AM] Yin Ling: Yeah
[10/9/24, 12:14:27 AM] John Tan: In chandrakirti chariot analysis, the presentation of the chariot and their parts, is not to say chariot does not exist. [It is] To tell us that chariot dependencies with parts is like how the world is
[10/9/24, 12:15:15 AM] Yin Ling: Yeah
[10/9/24, 12:15:40 AM] John Tan: Bec we see inherently we can't understand how dependent relation works
[10/9/24, 12:16:14 AM] Yin Ling: Yeah makes sense
[10/9/24, 12:16:37 AM] John Tan: We kept looking for inherent parts...our mind kept thinking what [how] can there be parts if there is no inherentness
[10/9/24, 12:17:19 AM] John Tan: How can non-inherent appearances have causal efficacies
[10/9/24, 12:17:39 AM] Yin Ling: Yeah but it’s exactly opposite
[10/9/24, 12:17:42 AM] John Tan: But our actual experiences are all demonstrating that
[10/9/24, 12:17:49 AM] Yin Ling: Yup lol
[10/9/24, 12:18:05 AM] Yin Ling: Feels very inherent one
[10/9/24, 12:18:09 AM] John Tan: Yes
[10/9/24, 12:18:20 AM] John Tan: We touch something, we think it is there
[10/9/24, 12:18:31 AM] John Tan: Objectively there
[10/9/24, 12:18:42 AM] Yin Ling: Yup
[10/9/24, 12:18:53 AM] Yin Ling: We must always find a inherent cause
[10/9/24, 12:19:03 AM] John Tan: We think inherently
[10/9/24, 12:19:50 AM] Yin Ling: Would thinking non inherently reduce suffering ?
[10/9/24, 12:20:01 AM] John Tan: Definitely
[10/9/24, 12:20:23 AM] John Tan: The cause of suffering comes from that
[10/9/24, 12:20:28 AM] Yin Ling: Example?
[10/9/24, 12:20:46 AM] John Tan: The mind tendency to pin down is the cause of grasping


[10/9/24, 12:21:16 AM] John Tan: U know that if u don't hold, u can sleep
[10/9/24, 12:21:18 AM] John Tan: Lol
[10/9/24, 12:21:40 AM] John Tan: But fear inadvertently originates subconsciously
[10/9/24, 12:22:42 AM] John Tan: Is rejection a form of holding in disguised?
[10/9/24, 12:24:37 AM] John Tan: Inherentness is a form of pinning down

[10/9/24, 12:25:02 AM] John Tan: Rejection is also a form of pinning down

[10/9/24, 12:25:11 AM] John Tan: In an opposite direction

[10/9/24, 12:26:07 AM] John Tan: But it is a habit of reaction
[10/9/24, 12:26:42 AM] John Tan: It works on how u take and experience things

[10/9/24, 12:27:13 AM] John Tan: But it is a slow and gradual progress

[10/9/24, 12:28:15 AM] John Tan: Yes but also we must see that although we understand it is not deep enough proven by the fact that we still see things objectively and inherently

[10/9/24, 12:29:01 AM] John Tan: Like hearing an ambulance siren, by default we think it comes from the car
[10/9/24, 12:29:06 AM] John Tan: The ambulance

[10/9/24, 12:30:12 AM] John Tan: We never think of dependent arising esp [especially] it requires our mind
[10/9/24, 12:31:17 AM] John Tan: When u touch mind directly, everything is mind and become mind-like
[10/9/24, 12:31:47 AM] John Tan: Everything now is pervaded by clarity

[10/9/24, 12:32:22 AM] John Tan: Then u have to balance it with dependent origination
[10/9/24, 12:33:38 AM] John Tan: If we contemplate regularly, we will begin to see the rainbow like quality is a dependent arising

[10/9/24, 12:34:00 AM] John Tan: Then ur mind opens up to intimacy of everything
[10/9/24, 12:34:40 AM] John Tan: When u see non-inherentness, it must at the same open up to all its parts



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John Tan:


1.  Inherent existence of parts is not required for establishment of relationships, u only need nominal conventions.


2.  Thinking that since nominal conventions do not exist ultimately, there is no causal efficacy and has no implications and consequences is an extreme view tainted by inherent thoughts.  


Precisely so because only inherent mind thinks true existence is needed for consequences and implications. For this point, I think Tsongkhapa is more 通透, unfortunately for traditions that emphasize on direct and non-conceptual experiences, this is often overlooked.


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Also related: My Favourite Sutra, Non-Arising and Dependent Origination of Sound

And

Rainbow

 


    Listening to someone tutoring about "rainbow",
    The teaching of science came to my mind.
    The raindrops, the sunshine;
    The light that enters and exits the droplets;
    The reflection, refraction and light dispersion;
    All these formed the rainbow.
    But they missed the most important factor,
    The radiance of our own mind.

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      Jayson MPaul
      Rainbows need to have eyes in correct position, water droplets, light, radiant mind, all like so for rainbow to appear. Move slightly and rainbow is gone. Never came from anywhere, stayed anywhere, or went anywhere. The rainbow was insubstantial, but vividly displayed. All phenomena are like this.


      Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
      Look ahead and you see the table and your phone. Need "all like so" (tatha). Look behind you and that is gone, but now a new like so and not otherwise.

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    • Dragan Milojević
      What radiance of mind? Where is it, science needs proofs and evidence. Mind is only a perceptor and analyzer.


      John Tan
      Dragan Milojević Science can prove the sad tears of a mother are H2O but can't prove the "sadness". As human, we need both.
      But I like ur question, Where is this radiance?
      Yes where is it? Even Buddha cannot know it's whereabout.

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For whom there is emptiness, there are all things. For whom there is no emptiness there is nothing whatsoever.
For whom there is emptiness there are all natural and supernatural things. Why? For whom there is emptiness there is dependent origination. For whom there is dependent origination there are the four noble truths.
For whom there are the four noble truths there are the fruits of religious practice, and all the special attainments. For whom there are all the special attainments there are the three jewels, the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha.
For whom there is dependent origination there is righteousness, its cause, and its result, as well as unrighteousness, its cause, and its result. For whom there is the righteous and the unrighteous, their cause and their result there are the obscurations, their origin, and their bases.
For whom there is all this, the law of the fortunate and unfortunate states of rebirth, the attainment of the fortunate and unfortunate states of rebirth, the way of going toward the fortunate and unfortunate states of rebirth, the passing beyond the fortunate and unfortunate states of rebirth, the means for passing beyond the fortunate and unfortunate states of rebirth as well as all worldly conventions are established.
It is to be understood by each one for himself according to this instruction; only some of it can be taught verbally.
I venerate the one who taught emptiness, dependent origination, and the middle way as one thing, the incomparable Buddha.
~ Nagarjuna, in Dispeller of Disputes
Soh

John Tan shared: "Wolfgang view is more into Vedanta and platonism. But I find his corporeality and vertical causality very appealing although it is not so online with Buddhism emptiness and dependent arising view. Go watch the video, it is quite long. Sincere and truthful sharings and his encounters."

 
Wolfgang Smith graduated from Cornell University at age 18 with degrees in physics, mathematics, and philosophy.
 
A genius.

John Tan: "Yes he is a genius.

Yet he is so humble in his exploration even putting eastern esoteric practices candy philosophies higher than what he learnt in the west.

Another one is Federico Faggin.
 
Genuine scientists that have made it in life and explore into consciousness with real insights and encounters. Though not Buddhism but similar to Wolfgang, dedicated their life to these explorations. Unfortunately Wolfgang just pass away." 
 

 
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