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On the Importance of Merits

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    Also see: Vajrasattva

    From a thread last year: Facebook Post

    Soh Wei Yu

    On the importance of merits, something I wrote before like a decade ago:

    "I remember years ago Thusness would have me explain the dharma to people from various forums. One time many years ago I thought it would be better if Thusness explained by himself to the others, so I told Thusness why don't you post yourself or something like that. Thusness suddenly appeared serious (he seldom talk in this tone) and asked me so are you going to do this or not? Then he told me the reason (not exact words now but along this line) he had me to do this was because I was lacking in merits to gain enlightenment. And then he said something like... you think I'm joking? Suddenly at that moment I realized why he was always taking the trouble and instructing me to do all those things... when he could have done it himself.

    Not long later I had a meditation experience... he informed me it is due to my merits ripening due to a particular instance of explaining the dharma to someone some time ago. He informed me there is a direct causal relation. When asked how does he know that merits is important for experience and realization, he simply says this is his experience. He says it may not make a lot of sense to a dualistic mind, but this is how it (dependent origination) works.

    Today he no longer makes me explain this and that to others, since I am in a much better position to explain myself based on my insight and experience. But even today he said one of the reasons that contributed to my quick progression of insight is the merits accrued by actively participating in Dharma discussions... apart from the practice and establishment of right view."

    Even my breakthrough last year was the result of my actively engaging in contemplating and writing the AtR guide. It is all intimately connected.


    January 2007

    Marc Teng posted:

    Kamma being a form of energy is not found anywhere in this fleeting consciousness or body. Just as mangoes are not stored anywhere in the mango tree but, dependent on certain conditions, they spring into being, so does kamma. Kamma is like wind or fire. It is not stored up anywhere in the Universe but comes into being under certain conditions.

    John Tan replied:

    This is very well said. This is Emptiness. This is Buddhism.


    Conversation — 10 December 2012

    Soh Wei Yu: Kyle Dixon said, "Merit was something that I sort of passed off as a made up thing (like sin etc..) for a long time but I'm starting to see how that applies with ones intentions and that compassionate resonance."

    "Interesting.. My mentor hammers on merit so much and I used to just think he was being dogmatic but I see that it's a viable and legitimate facet of experience. I've just recently been starting to really focus on that and have been wanting to get back to doing more group practices like I used to... I noticed that when I was doing ganapujas regularly at the local practice center I was having far more peak insights and I never made that correlation til this last month. So interesting that it comes up here with you I feel that's no coincidence My mentor just said last week 'Get your ass to the ganapujas I don't want you missing any more of them' ...he dedicates his merit everytime he does anything (especially before eating/drinking and after practice) and was really stressing that I do the same."

    John: What Kyle said is important. You told him about merit?

    P.S. Nowadays I share dharma not because I want to "cultivate merits" but out of genuine compassion for others. When you wake up, you can't help but want others to wake up too. I'm sure many of you understand.


    Yin Ling

    Hi guys! I am curious of your views regarding new age “law of attraction”, “abraham hicks teachings” and the likes.

    I understand co-creation is part of post awakening, I would like to hear your views or experiences with it if you have any?

    I have been attracted to these spiritual teachings in the past month for some reason I am not really clear 😂🤷🏻‍♀️ 🙏🏻

    Nafis Rahman:

    Related article from the blog: Total Exertion, Omniscience, Magical...

    Excerpts:

    Someone held the view that through quantum physics, somehow our 'mind' is able to (somewhat magically) change the course of global events like global warming, simply through some kind of positive or more enlightened projection (reminds me of teachings like The Secret). His views are influenced by his study of quantum physics and use of psychedelics. I had a back and forth exchange with him.

    There was a thread a while back that talked about manifestation as well, Soh shared a few personal experiences:

    My experience with manifestation has got to do with praying to Green Tara and it has got to do with some of my personal life situations in the past which I do not want to discuss. I did not try other methods of manifestation (including new age ones like 'The Secret').

    But suffice to say, I had some miraculous encounters where Green Tara's presence appeared (not visually but I could feel the presence and it spoke mentally to me) to me and informed me that my wish will be "granted" that day, and then truly it was granted that day after many months. Without that encounter I would have no idea. At the same time there was a strange pleasant smell when I felt 'her Presence', and the last time that happened was when I did Garab Dorje guru yoga for the first time in 2012 after ChNN's transmission (and my bunk mates also smelled that pleasant thing, and by the way burning incense is not allowed in army so I have no ideas how that came about).

    Maybe that may sound superstitious but after that event I was convinced there is something to this promise in this sutra: The Tara Sutra

    1.28

    Those who want children will come to have them,

    Those who seek wealth will come to have that,

    Each and every wish will be fulfilled,

    And obstacles, entirely vanquished, will be no more. (emphasis by Soh)

    (Update by Soh: For a fuller account, see Tara and "Manifestation")

    Soh Wei Yu

    While not negating the power of intentionality and visualisation, one must be careful not to fall into false thinking of agents and inherency but realise the emptiness of self/Self/Agent/agency-action and penetrate into dependent origination. Means something seemingly miraculous can happen, but it must be understood as dependent origination. Even if a yogi displays a siddhi of rising up into the air (just making an example), it is immediately understood as dependent origination without agency. Even if Jesus heals your leprosy by the touch of his hands, it is understood as dependent origination without agency. This is how all phenomena are directly seen after anatta insight.

    This is why it is important to make merits (see On Importance of Merits), and as Buddha said before, if you have the good karma as conditions then whatever you intend, or wish, or visualise, in the next life you will get it — whether you want to be a billionaire or be reborn as a deva, but not if you do not have these merits or good karma. So these intentions can be a condition but will not be fulfilled unless other conditions come into play.

    Buddha:

    "This humankind is attached to self-production

    Or holds to production by another.

    Those who have not understood this

    Have not seen it as a dart.

    But one who sees (this as it is),

    Having drawn out the dart,

    Does not think, 'I am the agent,'

    Nor does she think, 'Another is the agent.'

    This humankind is possessed by conceit,

    Fettered by conceit, bound by conceit.

    Speaking vindictively because of their views,

    They do not go beyond samsara."

    Also related:

    On the disease of non-doership, John Tan said:

    “Nihilistic tendencies arise when the insight of anatta is skewed towards the no-doership aspect. The happening by itself must be correctly understood. It appears that things are accomplished by doing nothing but in actual case it is things get done due to ripening of action and conditions.

    So the lack of self-nature does not imply nothing needs be done or nothing can be done. That is one extreme. At the other end of extreme is the self-nature of perfect control of what one wills, one gets. Both are seen to be false. Action + conditions leads to effect.”

    Kyle Dixon (2019):

    “As to the specifics of your question I’m not sure, but here are a few major differences between classical “determinism” and Buddhist karmic causality:

    Determinism proper necessarily involves inherently existent causes giving rise to inherently existent effects in a unilateral manner.

    Karmic cause and effect in the context of the buddhadharma is only valid conventionally, and since every cause is an effect and every effect a cause, they are, in a coarse sense, bilateral in nature.

    Karma can be “determined” in a certain sense, but since karma takes direction from intention, change can occur, certain results can be averted, suffering can be mitigated and ideally uprooted altogether.”

    Soh Wei Yu:

    I will make the same explanation if someone asks me whether a god, a guru, or a God, can exercise power over you, heal your diseases, grant your wishes, trigger your enlightenment, shower you with grace, and so on. In this case the person may be attached to the idea that a miracle may happen as the result of other-production or other-agency, whereas on the other extreme one may fall into the wrong view of self-agency or self-production. In either case it is not that something miraculous may not appear to happen, but its nature is not correctly apprehended.

    For example:


    Conversation — 30 November 2015

    Soh Wei Yu: My mom told me to chant for my Uncle who had stroke. Though I did chant last time I told her my opinion is it only helps if he chant himself. Then she say don't I believe in masters being able to bless other people (加持). I told her I don't believe in these things.

    John Tan: Told you to see in terms of Yin Yuan (Yin = Causes, Yuan = Conditions).

    Soh Wei Yu: What you mean?

    John Tan: You are only the conditions. Your mum is thinking inherent cause.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. Can you give an example? Not sure what you are trying to say.

    Soh Wei Yu: Oh you mean like sickness as dependent arising and cannot be solved by inherent cause. Suddenly I was reminded of what Malcolm said a few days ago: "Meanings are invented, consensual and conventional."

    As for your second sentence, it is very questionable that metaphysical naturalism is necessarily grounded in utilitarianism — I think you are making too broad a claim. For example, take this definition in which there is no species of utilitarianism mentioned:

    Naturalism, in recent usage, is a species of philosophical monism according to which whatever exists or happens is natural in the sense of being susceptible to explanation through methods which, although paradigmatically exemplified in the natural sciences, are continuous from domain to domain of objects and events. Hence, naturalism is polemically defined as repudiating the view that there exists or could exist any entities which lie, in principle, beyond the scope of scientific explanation.

    Buddhadharma [and Jaindharma] in this respect is also a species of metaphysical naturalism — in Buddhadharma there is no mystery precisely because "whatever exists or happens is natural" and there does not exist nor could exist "any entities which lie, in principle, beyond the scope of Dharma explanation."

    In other religions however [sans philosophical Taoism and Confucism], there is a profound mystery, God, through whose agency all things are created.

    Indeed, this is one of the reasons why Buddhadharma is so appealing to westerners with liberal educations. The naturalism of Buddhadharma and philosophical Taoism fit well into our already metaphysically naturalist predilections.

    HH Dalai Lama exemplifies this view with his confidence that indeed science can explain confirm, and justify any and all Buddhist beliefs, but even more than that, he recommends abandoning any Buddhist tenets that are directly contradicted by scientific explanation and found to be definitely false from a scientific point of view. — Malcolm

    Soh Wei Yu: So Buddhism is naturalism without agency. If someone could cause something to happen then that would contradict d.o.

    Soh Wei Yu: Oh ok it's like eating is the whole conditions of biting tasting swallowing it's not that the biting cause eating etc. So you are the conditions not the cause of an effect.. Cause and effect are also conventionally designated based on conditions. Sun doesn't cause sunshine because Suns and sunshine are designated based on the conditions.

    Conversation — 1 December 2015

    Soh Wei Yu: This is why I no longer go Ren Cheng center. So different understandings.

    John Tan: Now saying 'will not' is also not true... saying 'will' also. Both are self view. Seeing whatever arises requires right causes and conditions is then the right view. One must practice to have faith, concentration and clarity and conditions from awaken masters and sincere practitioners. Just like how is to possible to awaken someone else? If it is not possible then is buddha's teaching valuable? Is meeting Buddha in person valuable? Does meeting a skilful master that can observe conditions help? Does meeting a compassionate master help?

    When you feel total exertion, you must not feel it is own power or other power...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Do your insights arise without condition? By its own?

    Soh Wei Yu: Arise with conditions.

    John Tan: If you meet me, then it triggers an insight, is it by me or by you?

    Soh Wei Yu: Neither. By conditioned arising.

    John Tan: Yes. I told you the success stories right about the 3 friends few years ago. About 3 friends forming a company then becoming successful and then split, failed and come back again and fail again.

    Soh Wei Yu: Can you repeat the story?

    John Tan: Smack your head. 3 friends formed a company and done very well and successful. Then each thinks it is their effort. They split and formed their own companies, all failed after struggling for many years. Then they met up and came together and still fail. So is success their effort or not their effort? If it is their effort then why fail? If not their effort then is there any need to strife?

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. It is by the combined effort.

    John Tan: If combined effort then why they failed again when they come back together?

    Soh Wei Yu: Not sure. The yuan is not there anymore.

    John Tan: First you must feel the 3 individuals. You must feel them that they truly believe it is their effort. How is it like to be their effort...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. The second time they no longer believe it is their effort so they no longer strive and exert like the first time.

    John Tan: That is not important. You then must feel are you thinking and having the same mindset? Is it solely self effort? Then you must see they split and they failed...they came together again...yet they failed...

    Soh Wei Yu: It is neither by their effort Nor not by their effort.. Their effort is part of the conditions for success. There are other factors.

    John Tan: They can't understand...feel them...puzzled... When one self view is too strong, he can't see the true picture. Even he is willing to see after those failing experiences, he still is unable to feel the conditions in an intimate way because of the deeply rooted view.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. So they fail because they can't feel the conditions in an intimate way?

    John Tan: Like hearing sound in a non-dual mode...only sound and understanding as dependent origination and emptiness compared to sound is Me in non-dual.

    Even if they can feel the conditions in an intimate way, it does not assure them success too...they just understand the nature of "success and failure".

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Because one has a very narrow view...they only see gaining in a very specific way... Like you failed but you gain other stuff. Gain and lost, profit and loss... Like life and death.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Some people see death as death but some spiritual people see it as the door towards abundant life.

    Soh Wei Yu: You mean afterlife?

    John Tan: So first you must not see jia chi (blessing) as non important ...but to think that jia chi as having the power to effect is also incorrect. Similarly seeing self effort as the only way is also incorrect.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: When you first meet your grandmaster, how you feel? Or Chen Ming An?

    Soh Wei Yu: I can't remember meeting Master Shen Kai because I was 2 years old. When I first met Teacher Chen when I was 13 I felt his presence was very strong.. like an aura. Don't know how to describe.

    John Tan: Now you meet him?

    Soh Wei Yu: The last time I met him I just feel respect for him. His practice and his vows.

    John Tan: Now when you say his presence is very strong, is he affecting you or you are affecting yourself?

    Soh Wei Yu: Hard to say.. neither and both?

    John Tan: Or it is solely psychological or is he sending energy to you?

    Soh Wei Yu: I don't think he is sending energy. His presence is just there.. his stare, expression, samadhi feeling. And being attentive to him can probably bring myself to meditative state.

    John Tan: First you must understand you do not have to "interact". Or two things do not have to send anything to affect each other. Get it?

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.. yeah.

    John Tan: We are thinking it has to in order to effect... But it does not have to...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: When you think it is purely psychological, you also missed the point. We are molded to understand in a certain way ... But not by the way of "conditionality". Yin yuan suo sheng fa (dharma that arise due to causes and conditions). We are molded to understand in a certain way ... But not by the way of "conditionality".

    Soh Wei Yu: Yeah I don't think he is psychological. I believe it's he was in some meditative state. Probably if Ramana Maharshi was there he might be like that. I see.

    John Tan: Do you understand what I mean?

    Soh Wei Yu: Yea.

    John Tan: He is sending energy to the sick person...the energy actually teaches him or it is just purely psychological... We are thinking this is actually how things works or it must work that way. Get it? We are taught to understand in certain way. Just like in non-dual you truly feel everything is you but they are not you too...then the mind is confused. But we do not understand it in terms of conditionality or yin yuan.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Like someone tell you psychological... When you see your teacher. But why all those feelings and sensation arise at all? Why thoughts arise at all? Or why is there sound at all? Get it? With this as condition, that arises.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Don't think of explanation of psychological or sending energy here and there...let go of all these and feel as how total exertion works.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Do you understand what I mean?

    Soh Wei Yu: I think so.

    John Tan: I going to sleep...good nite.

    Soh Wei Yu: Ok good night.

    Conversation — 2 December 2015

    Soh Wei Yu: Yesterday I sent my mom a quote by Buddha: "Misdeeds cannot be washed away with water, the suffering of living beings cannot be removed with the hand, my realization cannot transferred to another, but by showing the true nature of things, there will be liberation.”

    John Tan: Quite a good quote. You must not see yourself as an entity but purely as fa de cheng xian. Yin yuan suo sheng fa. (the manifestation of dharma, dharma arising due to causes and conditions). Then self will be eliminated, what remains is DO, emptiness and non-arising phenomena.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: So without causes and conditions, nothing can manifest.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. Just read this [article]. I suspect jia chi is like that. Can't say its useless but can't say it causes effect. If 30% feel that the jia chi is effective then its hard for the community to deny the effects. Even if they know it is a placebo, still 30% will experience positive effects. So if someone believes jia chi will help I'm sure they will find it helpful.

    John Tan: What is jia chi? 加持? Then it depends on the master.

    Soh Wei Yu: Dunno. I remember they mention the master visualise healing light or light of some sort.

    John Tan: The master must of course impart right understanding and knowledge.

    Soh Wei Yu: Jia chi usually the master will also put his hands on the disciple head. And probably visualise light.. not sure. Shen Kai shi fu says the student karma will pass to him and he becomes sick etc. I don't believe in transference of karma or merit as I said before and Malcolm said before. What you mean? But in the case of Teacher Chen he simply do long distance jia chi. Its almost like reiki. But reiki I think has more to do like qigong or what. What you mean then it depends on the master? How does jia chi help actually?

    John Tan: No I mean the master must give right knowledge. Otherwise the master will be claiming what is not true. We must also understand that there other dimensions and negative energies that are influencing consciousnesses. This can be done with the help of the master. What Buddha said is merits, enlightenment and liberation cannot transferred. Also know what Buddha is talking about. He is talking about something much more fundamental and deeper...you are understanding the surface of the meaning.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Now what cannot be given?

    Soh Wei Yu: Insight cannot be given but can be shown or pointed.

    John Tan: You do not know what I meant. To truly know what cannot be given...you need wisdom. That is, you must know what is most fundamental and most treasured in our human experiences. What that can be transferred and given will not precious. So you must deeply know what that is most valuable... A transformative insight for example...cannot be bought, given or transferred. You can read from books, your parents can tell you, your masters and Teachers and keep repeating and force you to meditate upon it...but there is just no realisation.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Also know that some healing effect arises like dispelling negative energies and spirits or whatsoever is not transferring merits or granting enlightenment.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. I think nowadays I have somehow become deeply skeptical of supernatural. Even though I have experienced seeing ghost when I was young (Soh: I was skeptical of many supernatural explanations for various phenomena for what can be explained via simple causality, although not entirely dismissive. But nowadays I am convinced based on many examples that there are indeed many illnesses, not necessarily all, that are triggered by spiritual interference, and can even be mitigated by spiritual means or even a medium's negotiations, but I do not dwell on such areas or topics).

    I mean I'm still open to the possibility of such influences but I'm skeptical. But theres an interesting article: What a Shaman Sees in A Mental Hospital

    John Tan: Supernatural is true. But it is a complex issues and must be in line with science. Overclaiming is the problem. Shamanism is one area I am always studying...but always involved in plants having psychedelic content in an extreme way. I prefer yoga and meditation. Oneness experience is a daily activity to me and intensity is there due to yoga and meditation. However to involve and control, visualization and concentration is key. Non-dual is doing away with the boundaries that are artificially created by the dualistic paradigm...but to invoke and control consciousness, you need to master concentration and visualization. Modern practitioners are not strong in this area due to lack of discipline and perseverance. So seldom we see results...making claims without right and genuine knowledge is unwise and unhelpful. Interesting article but I no more see consciousness as an entity.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. Yeah dharma dan say he could visualise colours get into jhana and put out a flame via his intention and other siddhis like remember past life.

    John Tan: Concentration is a mental skill just like exercises...yogic Siddhis cannot be accomplished without mastering concentration. In almost all energy practices, this skill is required.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: But I am not into that, I prefer clarity over concentration for now...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: I believe intensity of luminous clarity can also alter the energetic frequencies or vibrations but may not be the right approach as compared to concentration and visualization which is much more rich and elaborate in this area.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: For you now you are still young. Focus on your body and health and improve your clarity. Your new house has a place for yourself where you can have a quality time to get in touch with your bodily sensations in an intimate way....not just going through the steps but get in touch ...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. [images omitted]

    John Tan: Imo what Khenpo Tsulstrim Gyamtso can led one to the experience of non-dual and anatta but not addressing the nature of mind/phenomena as empty and non-arising.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Actually when you practice yoga, if you got the hui gen (root of wisdom)...you will realise the purpose of the asanas to prepare the body to fully open up itself. It is quite ironical coz you practice to be natural, tender and flexible...but if you practice, you will realise. The body is tense, rigid and it can't relax and open up itself...it is similar to a mind full of proliferated views and dualistic tendencies going through the 7 phases of insights to open up.


    Yin Ling: Soh Wei Yu wow, is John Tan trying to convey “things arises because of its conditions” here and we can’t really see or understand all conditions? Life is getting more mystical 😂 And thanks!

    Soh Wei Yu: Yin Ling, seeing through inherent existence and penetrate into total exertion... this are very crucial insights in AtR... such that when you see X it is not just X as a discrete separate element but rather the total exertion of X.... like the success story but really in everything. like touching this table is the total exertion of whole body-mind-universe even into the ancient past along with all the trees and woodcutter and all the conditions that gave rise to this moment.

    On the secrets of becoming rich:


    Conversation — 28 February 2015

    John Tan: Now you cannot understand the broader view by doing logical analysis...it is a way of life and how embrace that view and understanding. Let's say your mum always strike 4d, you didn't...you explain by merit. You help others and suddenly there is a break-through, an opening of your dharma eye... What is that link? Is it really because of merit? The rich, great and powerful very often believe in feng shui...is it true?

    Soh Wei Yu: Maybe that is part of the conditions?

    John Tan: Some did so badly in business but instead of looking into business, they were advice to do charity and their business recover like the case of Liao Fan...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. Interesting.

    John Tan: So you must understand some will say superstitious but some have embrace it as part of their life in understanding thing. So how are you to understand this?

    Soh Wei Yu: [Laughs]

    John Tan: You can't and never will but if you go through life, you will understand. If you practice you will also understand.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: For example I told you to be thankful that you have a healthy body, 2 hands and 2 legs...good family...etc...to me that is a great merit done in your past life.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: You must treasure it but for others they might say why habour such a superstitious view...so it depends on the path you choose. Then you go through life...slowly taste it and understand it. Embracing dependent arising is not just understanding intellectually ... To me it includes all these.

    Many say that I am very successful and intelligent and so many rich multi-millions asked me for financial advices... But deep in my heart I know my success has very little to do with that — my intelligence and hardwork...though they are definitely factors that contribute to my success, it is not the main cause...rather I see it as my merit.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Now if you asked me why, I can give you many reasons that can cause me failure in my business career...I never know why I become successful (hopefully it continues)...though I plan and work really hard...I know it is never due to that for I am aware of the factors that can cause my failures are so vast and beyond control....but I am aware of certain merits in the workings...precisely why I feel that I do not know... Now if you do small jobs it is within control but when your deals are bigger, you can't possibly control.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. So you feel that you became successful because you did charity?

    John Tan: Just like the deal your dad is doing now, he can only tell you he works damn hard for it but he has absolutely no control at all....there are so many factors including political situation in Malaysia.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: No...maybe my past life merits.

    Soh Wei Yu: [Laughs]

    John Tan: So in addition to "logic" and "analysis", you must also learn not to be bounded by them...they are just tools to help you orientate yourself in this world...you must go beyond them. The entire universe and us is one great intimacy, only an unbounded mind can appreciate this intimacy.


    Conversation — 6 December 2021

    Soh Wei Yu: X person got X. [images omitted]

    John Tan: What do you understand from that? You remember what I told you?

    Soh Wei Yu: Told me about what?

    John Tan: About very successful people doing charity and Liao Fan Si Xun (The Four Lessons of Liao Fan).

    Soh Wei Yu: Oh yes... I have been telling donate to monks, etc. in fact just two days ago X ... donated to Thich Nhat Hanh sangha.

    Soh Wei Yu: Btw what did you say again? Was many years ago right?

    John Tan: Yes.

    Soh Wei Yu: I also had intuition that X [will happen quickly] because i've been asking X make merits. Think I had this intuition one week ago during meditation.

    John Tan: Don't want to repeat as it promote graspings.


    Nafis Rahman:

    So why did you suggest I pray to Tara?

    Malcolm:

    "Very simply put, taking refuge in sublime beings such as Buddhas and tenth stage bodhisattvas is meritorious because they are pure, uncontaminated and free of all afflictions. This alone eliminates traces of obscuration."

    "I recommend Tara practice regularly. I also practice Tara from time to time."

    "Tara, as a deity, is just a name for our own state. As ChNN puts it, "Tara is the state of Dzogchen."

    "But generally, if you want mundane siddhis, then you need to practice some creation stage practice, like Tara, Kilaya, Amitayus, etc. depending on one needs."

    Malcolm also said in 2017:

    "The Buddha has said very clearly, one cannot wash away misdeeds, he cannot remove suffering with his hand, he cannot give one liberation, but he can teach.

    So then, what is the use of praying to Buddhas and bodhisattvas, apart from accumulating merit? "

    "But they really cannot do anything to help sentient beings. If they could, they would act without bias for all sentient beings, without respect to their beliefs or merit, and we would not be living in such trying conditions.

    All they can do is teach. That is all Buddhas and bodhisattvas can really do to help sentient beings. It is well known that when one does wealth practice for example, one is using up ones own merit of wealth in the process unless one very carefully dedicates one's practice to make the merit of practice inexhaustible.

    I am afraid I find your view very theistic, it seems to me you think of Tāra the same way Catholics think of saints."

    "You missed the point of that example. Shabkar, for example, uses it to point out that strong traces in other people's minds can generate perceptions in our own minds.

    As to your second statement, this merely proves my point. Buddhas are powerless to help sentient beings in any kind of material way. What Buddhas can do is teach the Dharma. That is all they need to do."

    Soh Wei Yu:

    But just for lols I want to mention that after Aditya Prasad told me to try 'law of attraction' type visualising, I tried it immediately and visualised that I already have X amount of money that will suddenly manifest in my life within this very month. Then only about 3 days later, due to receiving an email I discovered I have cryptocurrencies I totally forgotten hidden in an exchange. Funny part: Almost exactly same amount.

    Damn, I should have wished for $1 billion to manifest. Let me get to it.

    Just kidding about the last part though. I do not want to promote kleshas or exhaust my merits 🙂

    “If you are attached to this life, you are not a true spiritual practitioner.

    If you are attached to samsara, you do not have renunciation.

    If you are attached to your own self-interest, you have no bodhichitta.

    If there is grasping, you do not have the View.”

    Also Nafis posted something I wrote about a miracle I experienced related to Green Tara. If you've read my post carefully you'll understand it is completely non contradictory.

    Earlier i mentioned about a sutta where buddha spoke about intention joined with good karma results in wish fulfilled in next life. I cant remember was it this sutta, there could be another one:

    Sick (Citta the Householder’s Last Hours)

    Gilāna Sutta (SN 41:10)

    On that occasion Citta the householder was diseased, in pain, severely ill. Then a large number of garden deities, forest deities, tree deities, and deities inhabiting herbs, grasses, & forest giants assembled and said to him: “Make a wish, householder: ‘In the future, may I become a king, a wheel-turning monarch!’”

    When this was said, Citta the householder said to the garden deities, forest deities, tree deities, and deities inhabiting herbs, grasses, & forest giants: “Even that is inconstant; even that is impermanent; one must abandon even that when one passes on.”

    [...]

    “But what compelling reason do those garden deities, forest deities, tree deities, and deities inhabiting herbs, grasses, & forest giants see, master, that they say to you, ‘Make a wish, householder: “In the future, may I become a king, a wheel-turning monarch!”’?”

    “It occurs to them: ‘This Citta the householder is virtuous, of admirable character. If he should wish: “In the future, may I become a king, a wheel-turning monarch!”—then, as he is virtuous, this wish of his would succeed because of the purity of his virtue. A righteous one, he will wield righteous power.’1 Seeing this compelling reason, they assembled and said: ‘Make a wish, householder: “In the future, may I become a king, a wheel-turning monarch!”’ And I said to them: ‘Even that is inconstant; even that is impermanent; one must abandon even that when one passes on.’”

    Found the other one:

    Middle Discourses 120

    Rebirth by Choice

    So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. There the Buddha addressed the mendicants, “Mendicants!”

    “Venerable sir,” they replied. The Buddha said this:

    “I shall teach you rebirth by choice. Listen and pay close attention, I will speak.”

    “Yes, sir,” they replied. The Buddha said this:

    “Take a mendicant who has faith, ethics, learning, generosity, and wisdom. They think: ‘If only, when my body breaks up, after death, I would be reborn in the company of well-to-do aristocrats!’ They settle on that thought, stabilize it and develop it. Those choices and meditations of theirs, developed and cultivated like this, lead to rebirth there. This is the path and the practice that leads to rebirth there.

    [...]

    Furthermore, take a mendicant who has faith, ethics, learning, generosity, and wisdom. They think: ‘If only I might realize the undefiled freedom of heart and freedom by wisdom in this very life, and live having realized it with my own insight due to the ending of defilements.’ They realize the undefiled freedom of heart and freedom by wisdom in this very life. And they live having realized it with their own insight due to the ending of defilements. And, mendicants, that mendicant is not reborn anywhere.”

    That is what the Buddha said. Satisfied, the mendicants were happy with what the Buddha said.

    Brian Murphy:

    My experience is similar to Nafis.

    Intention is at the heart of karma. Intention can manifest into experience with or without action. Recognizing “I am not my body,” one can use intention to cause things beyond the reach of one’s body. This is the basis of manifestation.

    As Ajahn Chah once said, there are benefits to such practices, but they are like the benefits of alcohol - first, you drink for the benefits, then you get drunk.

    It takes more advancement to learn the wisdom necessary to manage the power than it takes to learn to use the power. So, I suggest treading carefully.

    Albert Hong:

    I'll give you a simple answer. everything is produced by causal conditions. there is no moral implications. except virtuous energy or merit is the casual condition for favorable conditions. favorable conditions depend upon one's karmic vision, which also includes acceptance and rejection.

    anyways a lot of the karmic links have been laid down in the teachings. they at first seem very non-intuitive and somewhat makes no sense. but that is because we haven't ourselves seen the links and relationships between them.

    and a lot of the practices in dharma have such relationships mingled in.

    for instance the releasing of fish into the sea. which is the freeing of life or giving of life so to speak has the causal benefit of extending one's life. So if one finds oneself sickly and always on the edge of dying, then one would actively seek to create impressions that cultivate life, etc.

    if one wants wealth. in the broad sense. of good foods, good friends, good land, money, etc. then one would cultivate generosity. but there are other causal methods available. for instance one could also connect to Jambhala and learn to resonate at that frequency. Then one is wealth. To be wealth is much different than having wealth.

    But anyways that's my short answer. Dharma is about studying causality to the max. So that we can lead virtuous, full lives. All for the benefit of all sentient beings and the development of wisdom.

    There in the end is no greater merit.

    Soh Wei Yu: Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta: The Shorter Analysis of Action

Silent Illumination 默照銘 - Zen Master Hong Wen Liang's Commentary on a Text by Song Dynasty Master Hongzhi Chan

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English Translation:

Silently forgetting words, bright clarity manifests before you. When reflecting, it is vast and open; in the place of Essence, it is numinous and vivid.

Numinously vivid and singularly illuminating, within the illumination it is yet marvellous. Dew, the moon, stars, and the River; snow, pines, clouds, and peaks.

Obscure yet all the brighter; hidden yet all the more manifest. The crane dreams in the misty cold; the water contains the autumn rhymes.

Limitless kalpas are utterly empty, interconnected and identical. The wondrous presence dwells in the place of Silence; the Function serves within Illumination.

The wondrous presence exists—where does it exist? Vivid alertness shatters dullness. The Way of Silent Illumination is the root of the "separated and the subtle."

Thoroughly seeing the separated and the subtle: a gold shuttle and a jade loom. Upright and Inclined turn gracefully; brightness and darkness depend on one another.

Depending without subject and object, at this time they mutually integrate. Drinking the medicine of Correct View; beating the poison-smeared drum.

At the time of mutual integration, killing and giving life rest with me. Exiting the body from within the gate; bearing fruit upon the branch tips.

Silence alone is the supreme word; Illumination alone is the universal response. Responding without falling into merit; speaking without involving listening.

The myriad phenomena in their density radiate light and expound the Dharma. Each and every one validates; each and every one questions and answers.

Questioning, answering, and validating, they correspond precisely. If Illumination loses Silence, then intrusion is seen.

Questioning, answering, and validating, the correspondence is precise. If Silence loses Illumination, it becomes murky and remains a leftover dharma.

When the Principle of Silent Illumination is perfect, the lotus blossoms and the dream awakens. A hundred rivers go to the ocean; a thousand peaks face the Great Mountain.

Just as a goose selects its nourishment; just as a bee gathers nectar from flowers. When Silent Illumination is supremely attained, the heritage of our School is carried forward.

The Silent Illumination of the Tsung-school penetrates the top and penetrates the bottom. The body of *Śūnyatā*; the arms of the *Mudrā*.

Beginning and end are a single principle; changing forms are of ten thousand varieties. Mr. He offering the jade; Xiangru pointing out the flaw.

Fitting the capacity with certainty; the Great Function is not labored. The sky-frame within the domain; the general beyond the frontier.

The matter at the bottom of our house conforms to the compass and ruler. Transmitting it to all directions, do not earn it or hold it up [falsely].

Teacher Hong Wenliang’s Explanation

Silently forgetting words, bright clarity manifests before you

Here, it discusses the Essence of that Essence, Function, Nature, and Appearance. We borrow words; Essence belongs to the place where language is cut off. You talk about it for half a day, but that is not it. This is "forgetting words," where language cannot reach. "Silently" does not mean you sit in meditation not speaking, not moving your thoughts, "Ah... then the wondrous presence manifests, the top of the head gets cool, the buttocks get hot, the *qi* starts moving"—it does not mean this. This Essence is the place where language is cut off, where the functioning of the mind is extinguished.

"Bright clarity manifests before you" says, "Ha, the myriad phenomena are all its manifestation; a thousand lights appearing as reflections are all it."

When reflecting, it is vast and open; in the place of Essence, it is numinous and vivid.

Here, the meaning is the same; it is a repetition. Its manifestation is "when reflecting"; it is not that you go look at it, and then it manifests as mountains, rivers, stars, the moon, spring, summer, autumn, and winter... Clearly it is spring, clearly it is autumn. "When reflecting, it is vast and open"; anything can manifest, very, very many myriad phenomena. But at its place of Essence, its fundamental nature, it is truly very marvellous. Where is it? We don't know, yet it manifests just like this.

Numinously vivid and singularly illuminating, within the illumination it is yet marvellous.

"Numinously vivid" is the Essence. "Singularly illuminating"—it possesses light in itself; it can reflect itself by itself. It is not that there is an Essence in this place, projecting out like this, and the projected light becomes mountains, water, fish, and birds; it is not like that. Mountains, water, fish, and birds themselves are the manifestation of its own light; this is called "numinously vivid and singularly illuminating." The function of that Essence, the function of the *Dharmakāya*, is just that formidable. Now you look at me speaking; my appearance, physical form, and voice are the manifestations of your Essence; it is not that there is a "someone" here. However, do not misunderstand; it is not saying that "you" have an Essence. If one says "you" have an Essence, then there is a "my fundamental nature" there, and we easily get duped again immediately... Apart from the Buddhadharma, there is no way to explain this. "'I' have an Essence, 'I' have a fundamental nature"—that fundamental nature seems to belong to me. My Essence—it seems like "I" possess this fundamental nature, and this "I" of yours seems even bigger than the fundamental nature!

"Within the illumination it is yet marvellous." This illumination appears as sound, physical form, or manifests in various shapes. This itself is very marvellous. Why? It turns into physical form, but can simultaneously turn into sound, can manifest as sensation, and can manifest as thought. Isn't it that marvellous within the illumination?

Dew, the moon, stars, and the River; snow, pines, clouds, and peaks.

All of this is a description of "Numinously vivid and singularly illuminating, within the illumination it is yet marvellous."

Next is: day has dawned, ha, the sky brightens but does not reveal. This morning, the sun has come out, the sky is bright, ha, look, look, look... no matter how you look you cannot find it; the sky brightens but does not reveal. What about midnight? It is so distinct! "Obscure yet all the brighter; hidden yet all the more manifest." Do you know the meaning now? "Obscure" refers to that Essence; you simply cannot see it, cannot touch it, and cannot even think of it. However, it manifests so clearly. Sound is just sound, physical form is just physical form. Therefore, "Hidden yet all the more manifest; obscure yet all the brighter" mean the same thing. Right? We can all easily see everyone's appearance, everyone hears the birds singing, the fish in the water swimming back and forth; aren't forms, sounds, scents, flavors, textures, and mental objects very obvious? Where is that Essence? Not a trace of a reflection. Nowhere to abide. "Nowhere to abide" means having no form or shape. However, being "nowhere to abide," it manifests as a thousand lights and reflections; a thousand kinds of light manifest like reflections. Where is it? "Obscure"—you cannot find it. But, if you cannot find it, is it dead and heavy, hard and rigid? Hmm... it manifests in various appearances, including you. You think, "What is my Essence?" That "you" is merely what you are thinking. That Essence is right there moving.

Limitless kalpas are utterly empty, interconnected and identical. The wondrous presence dwells in the place of Silence; the Function serves within Illumination.

Isn't this very marvellous? You can see many things, you can taste many flavors, you can think many thoughts, you can feel many sensations, can't you? In your square-inch [of mind], there are all kinds of marvellous things you haven't seen; once you encounter them, you see them. Things you haven't eaten—you don't need to research them, just put them in your mouth and taste... marvellous! Ultimately, where does this kind of wondrous presence exist? It is not the forms, sounds, scents, flavors, textures, and dharmas themselves; it is not the taste itself. Its various thousands of colors and ten thousand hues are very marvellous. Where does it exist? It exists in a place you cannot see and cannot touch; this is "The wondrous presence dwells in the place of Silence." If you realize the place of Silence, you are enlightened. However, this place of Silence cannot be separated from the "Wondrous presence" of thousands of colors and ten thousand hues. If you leave behind the visible physical forms and the audible sounds to find another marvellous palace elsewhere, or some marvellous God or Buddha, then that is incorrect. Silence is right in the place of the wondrous presence. The wondrous presence is in the place of Silence; they are the same. Where is the wondrous presence? Because you cannot find the source from which it manifests, the wondrous presence is in the place of Silence. However, this place of Silence cannot be separated from Wondrous Presence. The marvellous function of this Silence relies on appearances to manifest. Without appearances, you simply would not understand the Great Function of that Silence. However, that which manifests is not Silence itself. This is called "Borrowing the position to reveal the function"—borrowing this position, one then knows, ah, there is such a great function. Conversely, "Borrowing the function to reveal the position"—borrowing these physical forms, sounds, scents, flavors, textures, and dharmas, the visible, the audible, the ability to think itself—borrowing the function, ah, there must be a source: revealing the position. "Borrowing the function to reveal the position," or "Borrowing the position to reveal the function"—Upadhyaya Zhengjue gave examples. What is "Borrowing the function to reveal the position"? Ha, seeing Dr. Lo, Mr. Fang, hearing insects chirping; right now a breeze is blowing, it's comfortable—these are all functions, manifesting various kinds of functions. Now the mobile phone rings; this is function. Borrowing this thing, one knows there must be a cause for it to be this way. Without a cause, how could physical forms manifest? How could sound manifest? This ear of yours is inherently physical form, concrete matter.

"Borrowing the function to reveal the position"—what did he use to express it? "The dreaming crane rises and the nest is empty." This thousand-year crane wakes up from sleep, rises, flies away, and one looks: its nest is empty. Originally it was sleeping there, and the nest was invisible; as soon as it wakes, *ho ho ho*, it takes flight, and looking back, the empty nest is there. Borrowing this flying up, one sees its nest. If it hadn't flown up and sat there, its empty nest would be invisible. If it doesn't move, we don't see it. Once it moves, we see the nest; "Borrowing the function to reveal the position." He used this metaphor so it's easier for everyone to think about. Then for "Borrowing the position to reveal the function," what example did he give? Borrowing this position to express the myriad phenomena; this thing is displayed originally like this. This metaphor is difficult. What example can you all think of now? You try to think. That fundamental position is invisible and untouchable, ha, unlike the crane flying away—the crane's flight is easy to use as an example. This Essence is the thing that is "Silently forgetting words"; you cannot even point to it, right? "In the place of Essence, it is numinous and vivid"; that place of Essence, numinous is numinous, but there is simply no way to speak of it. It is very numinous, yet you cannot touch it or see it. Then, to borrow this position to reveal its function, what example to give? Ha, he gave the example of the Northern Dipper [Big Dipper]. He said, "The Dipper's handle lies horizontally and the River [Milky Way] is faint." The Northern Dipper lies there at the edge of the sky; borrowing this position, ha, this Milky Way becomes faint; this is borrowing the position to reveal the appearance of the Milky Way. This is the example given by Upadhyaya Zhengjue. There is another simpler one, without such poetry, more direct; scientists and Indians use this to express this "Borrowing the function to reveal the position, borrowing the position to reveal the function." This example is easier.

"Borrowing the position to reveal the function" is "One Body discerning the Way within Many Bodies." One Body is the *Dharmakāya*, the Dharma-nature. Many Bodies are the eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, and mind—the six roots, six functions; each function represents a body. What is the One Body? That which is "Silently forgetting words." What is the One Body doing within the Many Bodies? It is working! The One Body doing things in the eyes is seeing; in the ears, it is hearing. Therefore, discerning the Way is seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, feeling, and thinking. One Body discerning the Way within Many Bodies is working; it is the position manifesting within the function. The eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, and mind of the six sense gates—because they must rely on the *Dharmakāya*. Without the *Dharmakāya*, they would have no Precepts, Concentration, and Wisdom; they would move chaotically. The eyes would see red as white; the eyes facing you would turn into sound coming down—that would be a disaster! The six roots are always within Precepts, Concentration, and Wisdom. Why? "Many Bodies peacefully dwelling within the One Body"—this is also "Borrowing the function to reveal the position." Because there is the One Body, because that fundamental nature of the *Dharmakāya* is there, always Precepts, Concentration, and Wisdom, it will absolutely not see incorrectly. Stinky is stinky, fragrant is fragrant; very annoying is very annoying. It is not that once you practice the Way, you don't care about annoying things; it's not like that. Its function itself is that annoying appears as annoying. Why is it so? As it is, this honest; no more, no less; what is there is there, what is not there is not there. Why? It is very much Precepts, Concentration, and Wisdom; this concerns our Dharma-nature. Because there is Precepts, Concentration, and Wisdom, it steadily has "Many Bodies peacefully dwelling within the Same Essence." So, how is the daily life of an enlightened person? It is just Many Bodies peacefully dwelling within the Same Essence. When we are confused, the Many Bodies do not peacefully dwell within the Same Essence. Originally, it is not that Many Bodies do not peacefully dwell within the Same Essence, but we add a false self into it and mess it up.

Compare these two examples everyone. How marvellous are the examples of Chinese poets. Once the Big Dipper lies horizontally, the whole Milky Way becomes cool and refreshing, faint, lying there leisurely; the multitude of stars all turn towards it. Everyone is so "indifferent in their ambition"; using "The Dipper's handle lies horizontally and the River is faint" to express "Many Bodies peacefully dwelling within the Same Essence." And "The dreaming crane rises and the nest is empty"? That is "One Body discerning the Way within Many Bodies." It runs to the eyes to see, runs to the ears to hear, runs to the skin to feel, runs to the mental root to be able to think. Hey, the One Body is very busy inside the Many Bodies. The Many Bodies of eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, and mind—because they are manifestations of the One Body, they keep Precepts, Concentration, and Wisdom very well: "Peacefully dwelling." It is not "because I practice, I am different from others"; that is Taoist thought.

Therefore, "The wondrous presence dwells in the place of Silence"; Many Bodies peacefully dwelling within the Same Essence is precisely the wondrous presence dwelling in the place of Silence. Therefore, it can manifest just right, no more, no less. Being able to keep Precepts, Concentration, and Wisdom like this is all because it peacefully dwells within the Same Essence; therefore, "The wondrous presence dwells in the place of Silence."

"The Function serves within Illumination." What is Function? Seeing, hearing, tasting... the inherent functions of our six roots. But when your eyes see, you assume "I saw"; is it like that? The inherent functions of our six roots are the true supernatural powers and great functions; they manifest naturally within "Forgotten Illumination." Yet our state is "I am looking at you"; that is not "Forgotten Illumination." "Reflecting while facing conditions" is not Forgotten Illumination. "Reflecting without facing conditions" is "Forgotten Illumination." It is not that you practice and only then it becomes like this, ha. What we inherently possess is "Reflecting without facing conditions." The functions of our six roots simply do not assume "I reflected, I heard, I thought..."; it is never like that. "Forgotten Illumination" does it; it simply does not say "I did it." Our six roots themselves are all "reflecting yet not reflecting"; this is called "Reflecting without facing conditions," also called "Forgotten Illumination." Was this gained by practice? Your fundamental nature is the Buddha-nature; it is just that our inverted delusive thinking, "I have a...", that chaotic thinking messes it up and ruins your fundamental nature, the Buddha-nature. So you go outside to find the Buddha-nature, hoping someone will give it to you, hoping someone will give you empowerment (*abhiṣeka*). The Buddha-nature is right there with you, yet you still search outside. Not only you; generally those who study Buddhism are all like this. They get "Silently forgetting words" all wrong, thinking it means sitting there, not moving a bit, quieting thoughts as much as possible, breathing, one, two, three, four... counting breaths, *anapana*... visualization *ho ho ho*, *om ah hum*... Doing this in order to "forget words." What is "Silently forgetting words" as spoken by Chan Master Hongzhi? The place of Silence refers to the One Body. "Bright clarity manifests before you" refers to the Many Bodies; eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, and mind all move. When it reflects, "The Function serves within Illumination"; within the true function of the six roots, it is not that you have practiced very well to be like this. Do you understand this point?

The wondrous presence exists—where does it exist? Vivid alertness shatters dullness.

"The wondrous presence exists—where does it exist?" You keep saying the wondrous presence dwells in the place of Silence, that Many Bodies peacefully dwell within the One Body, so it can exert the various forms of "Dharma abiding in the Dharma-position"—seeing is just seeing, hearing is just hearing, it won't be chaotic. Then what is the situation of "The wondrous presence exists"? "Vivid alertness shatters dullness." Facing you, red is just red, green is just green—"Shattering dullness," *na*. That wondrous presence, it seems to move, seems not to move. But when it moves, it is not like a stone; it is not dull and heavy like a stone. Our Dharma-nature is lively and vivid. When it moves, its fundamental nature is Many Bodies peacefully dwelling within the Same Essence, so it can be this marvellous. But where is the One Body? You cannot find it.

The Way of Silent Illumination is the root of the "separated and the subtle."

"The Way of Silent Illumination is the root of the 'separated and the subtle'." Silence is the Essence; Illumination is the Function. Its function is "Reflecting without facing conditions, knowing without touching things." What is "Separated"? It means separating from these various forms, sounds, scents, flavors, textures, and dharmas. Red color, fish, birds, cypress trees, cars—aren't they our Dharma-nature? "Separated" means they are not exactly It. They are not exactly It, but cars, the moon, stars, fish, and water cannot be separated from It; it is very "Subtle." If they leave It, they cannot manifest. "Separated and Subtle" is this. "Silent Illumination"—Separated is Silence, "Illumination" is Subtle. Therefore, thoroughly seeing the principle of "Separated and Subtle," the principle of Silent Illumination—"Thoroughly seeing the separated and the subtle"—ha, that movement of yours is living water coming; it softens up. That is "A gold shuttle and a jade loom." If you do not thoroughly see the separated and the subtle, you cannot get through at all; you always think I am seeing, I am hearing, my voice is like this, how is your voice. This way, there is no thorough seeing, so the water dies; it is hard and stiff because you have not thoroughly seen the separated and the subtle.

(The Teacher used dead water and living water addressing Ah Chen. Ah Chen is a fish farmer.) Thoroughly seeing the separated and the subtle makes one immediately lively and vivid. Without thoroughly seeing the separated and the subtle, there is you, me, and him; afflictions will certainly come. You view money as very heavy, view fame as very heavy, grasp them very tightly. Losing your life doesn't matter, you want wealth. If your life is truly about to be lost, that won't do; at this time, you can give up wealth, as long as you can live a little longer, that is better. But when even life cannot be preserved, you hope the next life will be a bit better, that would be okay too. When life cannot be preserved, fame and property can be discarded; knowing these cannot be kept, "Just let me go to Heaven." Look, bargaining. So, thoroughly seeing the separated and the subtle is "A gold shuttle and a jade loom"; it is liberation and ease. If wealth is lost, it is lost. You truly see your own Face; you are not turned around by this appearance at all. This is called "A gold shuttle and a jade loom." This shuttle is made of gold. The loom is our weaving machine, made of jade.

Upright and Inclined turn gracefully; brightness and darkness depend on one another.

"Upright and Inclined turn gracefully." "Upright" is the fundamental position, the Essence. "Inclined" is the various forms, sounds, scents, flavors, textures, and dharmas. These seem like two things existing independently, ha, "Turn gracefully"—Inclined is right within the Upright. What is seen, touched, thoughts moving back and forth—they have never left the center of the Upright. Within the Upright, it borrows the Inclined to reveal its Uprightness. Between Upright and Inclined, its Essence and Function are so marvellous: "The wondrous presence exists—where does it exist? Vivid alertness shatters dullness." Whether fundamental position or inclined position, it is the Essence. All appearances cannot be separated from the Essence, cannot be separated from the King of Majestic Sound, from before the Empty Kalpa.

"Brightness and darkness depend on one another." Do not brightness and darkness rely on each other? Without darkness, there is brightness. Without brightness, darkness manifests. Without brightness, where is darkness? Without darkness, where is brightness? "Brightness and darkness depend on one another"—this principle is not that brightness exists as brightness and darkness exists as darkness, independently of each other; then you are wrong. There is simply no independent brightness or independent darkness. Therefore, the *Cantongqi* explains "Brightness and darkness depend on one another" like your front and back steps. Left foot forward, right foot back; stepping out, hey, the left foot becomes back, the right foot becomes forward. Which one is actually in front, which one is behind? "Brightness and darkness depend on one another" is just like our walking, right? Without the front foot, the back foot cannot be lifted; without the back foot, the front foot cannot be lifted. In the *Cantongqi* it says, "Within brightness there is darkness; do not meet it as darkness." Do not hear this and say, "That brightness has darkness inside," and use darkness to look at this darkness, and what is left belongs neither to brightness nor darkness—it is not like that. "Within brightness there is darkness; do not meet it as darkness. Within darkness there is brightness; do not see it as brightness." What is this principle? Do you know? I raise my hand; this raising the hand is brightness, it is "Within brightness there is darkness," but the Essence is always the whole manifestation of Essence, so Essence is darkness—you cannot see it, ha, you know? That appearance—without that fundamental nature, the appearance cannot manifest. Where is the fundamental? You cannot find it, cannot see it. Therefore, within brightness there is darkness. Why is it called darkness? This darkness, with this movement, is at the place of "nowhere to abide"; its trace cannot be seen. Can its trace be seen? The hand moves from here to there. But if, using your brain to think, the hand moves from here to the raised place, you have already fixed a point in space; running from this point to another point. But does space have a fixed point? It is your brain considering that the hand ascended from this place to there; this already uses a huge concept, delusive thinking. From what place to what place? What thing goes to what place? What thing is this? What is a fist? What is a hand? The Four Great Elements have no owner, ha. A point without self-nature goes to a place without self-nature. We consider it your fist; you raised it from here to up there; space is fixed, front and back are fixed, time is fixed—only then do you feel you are raising your hand. When raising the hand, this appearance is clearly raising the hand; within brightness there is darkness, within brightness there is dependence. Depending on what? Depending on darkness, depending on having no trace. There is no trace. If every time you raised your hand, every time you walked, you left traces, it would be a disaster; space would be filled with traces of walking! "The bird flies continuously" (*Lancet of Seated Meditation*); can you see the trace of the bird's flight? This all explains what we in the Chan School call "Right within that very spot" (*ge zhong li xu*). You call it Fundamental, call it Appearance. "The spiritual source is bright and pure; branches and streams flow in the dark." "The spiritual source is the Fundamental; branches and streams flowing in the dark means the various things that manifest." He speaks of brightness and darkness inversely; it is the same thing. He says, whether you distinguish Fundamental or Appearance, distinguish Nature and Appearance as different—distinguish or not, it's up to you—as long as you "If one realizes," thoroughly realize "Right within that very spot," that is seeing the Nature. As long as you see the Nature, it doesn't matter if you speak of dividing Nature and Appearance, dividing Fundamental and Derivative, dividing Brightness and Darkness, dividing Subject and Object! As long as you see the Nature. If you thoroughly see "Right within that very spot." "Right within that very spot" is the matter of "Upon seeing the bright star." On this, there is no Fundamental or Derivative, no Nature or Appearance, no Subject or Object. Speaking of subject and object is already strange. Even talking about the Buddha verifying Mahākāśyapa is superfluous. So the Buddhadharma is not hanging there for you to touch and grope for half a day, ha... what thing? Then getting a mouthful of Buddhist terms, speaking of Fundamental and Derivative, Nature and Appearance... Therefore, "Brightness and darkness depend on one another" can also be said as "Fundamental and Derivative rely on each other, Nature and Appearance also rely on each other."

Depending without subject and object, at this time they mutually integrate.

"Depending without subject and object"—depending on what do we have brightness and darkness, Fundamental and Derivative? This dependence has no subject and object. Brightness also has no subject and object; darkness also has no subject and object. Only because dependence has no subject and object can brightness and darkness alternate.

At the time of mutual integration, killing and giving life rest with me.

"At the time of mutual integration," I see, I hear, there is sound, there is physical form; they are all interacting, the myriad phenomena are all interacting.

If you can realize "Right within that very spot," then you are free and at ease, liberated and at ease; not afraid of birth and death, not caring about honor or disgrace. "Killing and giving life rest with me," because you are simply not like dead water, you are living water. Therefore, "At the time of mutual integration," within daily life, laughing, crying, making trouble, shouting, thinking—"The bottom," the fundamental thing has already been realized. "Right within that very spot" has been thoroughly understood; that is "At the time of mutual integration." Then, your life, your walking, standing, sitting, and lying down, conducting yourself and handling affairs—"Killing and giving life rest with me," free and unconstrained. Extremely thin, yet he has not a bit of affliction; very wealthy, yet he is not arrogant with wealth. Poor to the extreme, he doesn't care either; if he starves to death, then he starves to death. Who starves to death? "Killing and giving life rest with me"; it is not telling you to really go "kill."

Silence alone is the supreme word; Illumination alone is the universal response.

We keep saying Silence is the Essence, Illumination is the Appearance. What is called the Fundamental, what is the *Dharmakāya*? "Silence alone is the supreme word"—the supreme word is where language is cut off, where the functioning of the mind is extinguished; the highest explanation, simply impossible to speak of, impossible to point out, impossible even to think of; therefore this place is "Silence." So the first line "Silently forgetting words" does not mean telling you to sit there, sweeping away thoughts, quietly counting breaths, visualizing, quieting down, quieting down, quiet to the extreme, "Bright clarity manifests before you," ah... the spirit has come out. If explained like this, it completely misunderstands Chan Master Hongzhi's meaning. This "Silence" directly speaks of our Buddha-nature, Dharma-nature. It is all moving at the gates of the six roots. Radiating light and moving the earth at the gates of the six roots. Without it, the gates of the six roots would not be just right, Precepts, Concentration, and Wisdom. However, that is movement, that is just it; the marvel is like this. Because you cannot see where it is? Therefore, "Silence alone is the supreme word; Illumination alone is the universal response." As for "Illumination," when it moves, radiating light and moving the earth, hey... a sound (*snap*), it is not that I moved here; it is my Dharma-nature moving, moving through this ear; if there is thunder there is thunder, if a car then a car sound; no need to use the brain to say the car is coming and I must listen, ha, the car passes and is still rumbling, no; if it's not there, it's not there.

"Illumination alone is the universal response"; the appropriate sound manifests as sound, the appropriate physical form manifests as physical form; this is called radiating light and moving the earth, this is "universal response." Any time, any place, responding just like this as it really is, is "universal response"; it is not responding sometimes and not responding other times. We listen when we are happy, and ignore when unhappy; but the function of our Essence, the function of our Reward Body and Emanation Body, is "universal response," without deviation, without liking or disliking. That is the false self entering to ignore—then not listening, not looking. "My Chan Master teacher is first class in Taiwan; you, so-and-so Hong, are speaking here, I won't listen," listening but ignoring. But while I am speaking, sound has been entering his ears all along. Its fundamental nature is "Illumination alone is the universal response"; what blocks it is that wounded thing called "I"; this is very formidable, for tens of thousands of kalpas this wound has not healed. Now, Chan Master Hongzhi is curing this, do you know? "Silence alone is the supreme word"—that "Silence," the Dharma-nature body of that "Fundamental," you cannot even talk about it, it is the "supreme word"; the highest explanation is "where language is cut off," that is the true explanation.

Responding without falling into merit; speaking without involving listening.

"Responding without falling into merit"—our Dharma-nature radiates light and moves the earth within the six roots. Facing you, seeing you, over there a frog croaks, a frog sound; over there in the kitchen, if there is sound then sound; it universally responds just as it really is. This responding, the way it moves, "Does not fall into merit." "Hey, I did it, I illuminated, I illuminated a hundred times today, I need to rest a bit"—this is falling into merit.

"Speaking without involving listening"—you listened for half a day but couldn't listen in; that is because it is not spoken with language and words, it has nothing to do with this listening of yours. Did it enter? It was spoken, "Insentient beings expounding the Dharma"—how to listen? So this is "Without involving listening." How can you listen?

Hey, but if there is truly the matter of "Upon seeing the bright star," then one is clearly listening to "Insentient beings expounding the Dharma"; however, this listening is not the kind where ordinary people listen because there is sound. The speech of "Speaking without involving listening" is the speech of "Silence alone is the supreme word"; it is not listening with the meaning of "I heard it" using our ears. "Responding without falling into merit" is not the kind of illumination of "I saw it," but the kind of illumination of "Reflecting without facing conditions." Therefore, when it responds, it is universal response, it is not falling into merit.

Emperor Wu of Liang said to Bodhidharma: "I built many temples and made offerings to many monks; this merit is not small, right?" Bodhidharma answered saying there was not a bit of merit. He was not disparaging Emperor Wu of Liang. He was saying that when your six fundamental natures are functioning, they do not fall into merit! You think there is merit; your sixth consciousness says I am the Emperor, the Emperor does so many good deeds, helping Buddhism; this "I am the Emperor" thing is false, created by chaotic thinking. Actually, you did so many things, but your six roots do not feel even a bit that they did any good deeds; so this is saying "Responding without falling into merit."

The myriad phenomena in their density radiate light and expound the Dharma.

This needs no further explanation. Water is expounding the Dharma, fish are expounding the Dharma, the blue sky and white clouds are all expounding the Dharma; they are all your fundamental nature, radiating light like this right there; radiating light is just the white clouds and blue sky *na*.

Each and every one validates; each and every one questions and answers. Questioning, answering, and validating, they correspond precisely.

Look at "Each and every one validates"—all insentient beings are expounding the Dharma. Who are the insentient? Your own fundamental nature. "Each and every one questions and answers; questioning, answering, and validating, they correspond precisely"—the actual situation of our six roots is like this.

If Illumination loses Silence, then intrusion is seen.

Ordinary people do not know; "If Illumination loses Silence," they think it is "I saw, I heard," losing the Silence. Within illumination, hearing, thinking of a matter, getting angry—getting angry is also illumination, ha. It's just that within this, you lose Silence; you forget that this is your Dharma-nature radiating light and moving the earth. How is this lost? One inexplicably gives rise to ignorance for a moment, losing Silence, losing the Fundamental. Illumination and Silence are originally one thing; so within illumination, "Hey, I did a good deed"—Silence is lost.

"Then intrusion is seen"—then it goes awry; as soon as a thought moves it goes awry, and it's done for. Taking the perfectly good six roots—your Dharma-nature is there, functioning as the Reward Body and Emanation Body—yet within illumination, "Hey, I am looking, I am listening..."—Silence is thus lost, becoming "Then intrusion is seen"; you have afflictions coming, cannot sleep at night, everything comes.

Questioning, answering, and validating, the correspondence is precise.

The corresponding function of our six roots—seeing, hearing, tasting spicy as spicy, sweet as sweet—is "Validating, questioning, and answering, corresponding precisely." The sound of a frog will absolutely not be heard as the sound of a car; however big is however big, however small is however small; if it doesn't call, it doesn't call; just do not lose Silence within Illumination.

"Annoying, I am listening to Dr. Hong Wenliang speaking now..."—Silence is lost. Even if you get angry, how can ears get angry? Ears do not lose Silence at all within Illumination. We are originally like this; it is not that you practice and only then do not lose Silence within Illumination, ha. This is the Caodong School, the true Buddhadharma transmitted by the Buddha; it is not that you practice and only then do not lose Silence within Illumination. Your six roots originally move like this; it's just that you add an "I am looking, I am listening..." and thus problems arise.

When the Principle of Silent Illumination is perfect, the lotus blossoms and the dream awakens.

"When the Principle of Silent Illumination is perfect"—between this Silence and Illumination, Nature and Appearance, Subject and Object, Essence and Branch—this Principle is perfect, complete, originally the same as the Great Void, lacking nothing and having no excess. This Principle is very perfect; using reasoning is useless, no matter how one thinks, one cannot conceive of its perfection. At this time, if you realize this—"Ha, originally we are like this..."—personally, ha, not using the brain, using consciousness to say we are originally like this; that is your thinking, you have not yet realized and entered. "We are originally like this"—this is your thought, which is losing Silence within Illumination. What is Illumination? Understanding this principle, then "I illuminated it"—is this Silence? There is simply no Silence. "Losing Silence within Illumination" is precisely the error. Then when "The Principle is perfect within Illumination," naturally "The lotus blossoms and the dream awakens." The lotus has blossomed, the Mind-flower, it is your true fundamental nature. Lotus blossoming is the dream awakening. Therefore, when a person is truly thoroughly awakened, that is a Buddha, apprehending Mind and seeing Nature. That fundamental nature moves right there with you; you just need to personally realize this; do not use reasoning to say we are originally like this; you are simply not moving in that original manner. At this time, if the lotus blossoms and the dream awakens, ah, then birth and death simply cannot disturb you, ha. We think I am living, fear my dying; that one who has lost Silence feels I am very lovable, feels I cherish, want to live a bit more—that is losing Silence within Illumination, not the lotus blossoming and the dream awakening, do you know? Suffering is suffering, pain is pain, bad luck is bad luck; being insulted is being insulted, being held high is also just like this.

A hundred rivers go to the ocean; a thousand peaks face the Great Mountain. Just as a goose selects its nourishment; just as a bee gathers nectar from flowers.

At this time, the lotus blossoms and the dream awakens, ah, at this time, "A hundred rivers go to the ocean; a thousand peaks face the Great Mountain," is a description of that "Just as a goose selects its nourishment"—in the past, highly skilled geese all selected milk [from water]. "Just as a bee gathers nectar from flowers"—like a bee gathering nectar, what does it mean? You have never lost Silence within Illumination; in daily life, laughing the same, crying the same, drinking wine the same, singing the same, playing and having fun with everyone the same. Hey... you look like you are enlightened; strange, why don't you wear a *kāṣāya*, keep a straight face, and wave that stick around there? Hey... he is just like a goose selecting milk, like a bee gathering nectar; right on top of his true self, he laughs, walks, laughs, *ai-yo* pain is also it.

When Silent Illumination is supremely attained, the heritage of our School is carried forward.

That true essential asset of Silent Illumination, "Supremely attained," Silent Illumination is truly very subtle; it is explained to you by our Caodong Chan School, contributed to you; this is my "School's heritage." "School's heritage" is actually what the Buddha truly wants to give to people of the world, "Truly just like this *ha*..." is the School's heritage. It does not refer to some Chan Sect; it is the Buddha's true essential purport, which is Silent Illumination.

Penetrates the top and penetrates the bottom.

Very thorough. Hey, now hearing it, "Penetrates the top and penetrates the bottom"—where does the sound come from? Is this a frog? No, it is a cricket. Is it Silent Illumination? Sound moves here, only then do you know there is sound; strange *ne*, where does sound come from? Cannot hear, sound disappears; where does it disappear to? Don't know *ha*. Comes from nowhere, goes nowhere; when there is sound, where does the sound stay in you? Sound must be moving there, only then do you know there is movement. I ask you, sound moves on your Dharma Body; where on your Dharma Body? You don't know, cannot see it.

Silence—is there no sound? There is, Illumination. The Way of separated and subtle, the root of separated and subtle—can you speak of that Dharma-nature? Dharma-nature is that cricket sound moving right there with you; where is that Dharma-nature, Dharma Body? What color? Big or small? Light or heavy? Green color, blue color? "Silence alone is the supreme word." "Speaking without involving listening." Look, here it comes again, the cricket comes to argue with me again. Ears not prepared to listen, there is sound then heard; where from? Where does sound come from? We generally say transmitted from over there to here; which side is over there? Without passing through the ear's nerves, it wouldn't be heard; when the ear's nerves are transmitting, isn't that sound? When not transmitting, it is not sound; when those nerves are changing there, you cannot say that is not sound *ha*. Is the change of nerves sound? That is change; then what is sound? Running from where to where? I ask you. But, if there is, there is; Silent Illumination. "When Silent Illumination is supremely attained," if you want to make it clear, you are done for. If you want to illuminate, want to know, hey, the problem comes!

Let us briefly explain some key points again. The key point is actually the first one: "Silently forgetting words, bright clarity manifests before you," it is all like this. However, do not treat this as hurrying to sit in meditation, getting rid of thoughts, emptying the mind, a patch of sunny brightness, not thinking, sweeping thoughts clean. Forget you are sitting there in meditation, *ha*... if you can't forget, you use breath counting, one, two, three, four... quiet to the extreme, ah... I have realized, "Bright clarity manifests before you"—what thing has manifested? A ghost shadow manifesting!? You say manifest, there must be an image, a state manifesting. Could it be the appearance of Guanyin that counts? Could it be that a pure state counts? That arising and ceasing dharma, originally nonexistent; sitting there quietly, it manifests; isn't that illuminated out? Telling people to sit in meditation like this is finished, off by a hundred and eight thousand miles; so everyone hearing this kind of teaching wants to make the mind quiet. Hey... the mind is messy; the six roots originally have always been in Silent Illumination, always without interruption; it is that false self interfering, *intrude*. Who *intrude*? Your own delusive thinking. I ask you, you say now "I am listening," is there this "I"? "I am here listening to your lecture," "I am listening to the cricket sound." If this "I" were real, and you now think non-stop: "I am you, I am you, I am you..." keep thinking, will you turn into me? Will you? You keep thinking "I am you...", think for ten thousand years, it is still this "I" of your own; you won't turn into the you that you are thinking of, right? Therefore you know this "I I I" and "I am you" are the same, like reflections; what "I" is there! It is you thinking it is "I," but this is formidable; because of habit, for tens of millions of kalpas it has been this habit. You exchange like this, and you will know, hey, this thing is truly strange; I am working hard here, it must be that "I" moving a bit, moving a bit; if that were true, you exchange this "I" for "you," "I am you," you think it over carefully, will this thing turn into you? It is still that appearance; that appearance is not nonexistent, it exists! But calling it "I" is incorrect!