seeing things in the way of the dharma seals - impermanence, suffering, non-self , nirvana .

Further along, emptiness and dependent origination.

Which of those are conceptual and which is experiential?

Views is like teaching on how to “see”… one haven’t see yet, but they understand the theory.

Then they take it into investigation, contemplate the view.

Why Buddha say non dual, why Buddha say this say that.. that’s using the view to contemplate..

Then slowly or suddenly they see, they understood deeply coz their perception with a small shift showed them what the view is talking about.. That’s the insight

Perceptual shift is just a different way of looking, like U suddenly see an image in those grainy holographic illusory thing they put up for fun

When the insight happens it’s experiential already, one can see real time already.

before that it’s using thinking and contemplating .

View is like telling u how the apple taste then insight is like tasting the apple yourself

Hope I m not wrong lah

As you said, "Fake it till you make it".

So wondering which part is the "Fake it" (Theory or Pointing Instructions) and which part is the "Make it" (Perceptual Shifts or Insights).

Is Insight an intellectual understanding, or a shift in perception, or not really?

And do you need a shift in perception before you can get the view?

So what I do is I keep asking myself “ok now if the sound and the awareness is not separate, how should it feel?” Then I play around with it. I was quite obsessed lah lol so I go everywhere I investigate “how ahh” “why it doesn’t feel like the sound hear?”.. why is it so strong inside the head here what is this thing ahhh .. play around for a while..

then one day it’s like

Ohhh I seeee.. the whole experience of “sound hearing “ became very clear like a veil taken off. I don’t need to use effort anymore like before. It’s just there. The change is sudden for me. That is to me , an insight.

I got the view from all the reading.. then I experiment ..

Like.. ok so buddhism say exist but not truly there right .. ok how ahhh… investigate and investigate and slowly slowly the thing ness become less and less and the whole scenery become light floaty and like a display

That’s my personal experience lah.. our mind is super malleable. U give it a view, it will slowly manifest sthg for u lol. Very fun actually

Experiential realization is like it is more obvious than obvious, clearer than day the cow is there when you look at the picture. Even if you may not yet have thought up the perfect way to express it, you just know, you see it with your own two eyes.

View when understood intellectually does not have a paradigm and perceptual shifting effect.

So the understanding of three dharma seals goes through three stages according to Buddha -- first you accept it by faith, then you ponder it with a modicum of discernment (intellectual analysis), then you directly realize it. The third one is stream entry, or in Mahayana the stream entry is first bhumi. I would personally add that in my view, those of greatest capacity skip straight to third (like Bahiya et al), those of medium capacity skip to second then progress into third (the smart and analytical type), while those of lower capacity starts from the first step then progress into second and then third. I'm more of the lower capacity type -- I took 4 years after I first had faith and a modicum of conceptual discernment in the three dharma seals as explained to me by John Tan, before I could have a direct realization of anatta. Even to reach the first step took me about a year or two of talking with John Tan, before that my understanding of anatta and three dharma seals was still blurry.

Cakkhu Sutta (SN 25:1)

Near Sāvatthī. “Monks, the eye is inconstant, changeable, alterable. The ear… The nose… The tongue… The body… The mind is inconstant, changeable, alterable.

“One who has conviction & belief that these phenomena are this way is called a faith-follower: one who has entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill. He is incapable of doing any deed by which he might be reborn in hell, in the animal womb, or in the realm of hungry ghosts. He is incapable of passing away until he has realized the fruit of stream-entry.

“One who, after pondering with a modicum of discernment, has accepted that these phenomena are this way is called a Dhamma-follower: one who has entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill. He is incapable of doing any deed by which he might be reborn in hell, in the animal womb, or in the realm of hungry ghosts. He is incapable of passing away until he has realized the fruit of stream-entry.

“One who knows and sees that these phenomena are this way is called a stream-enterer, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe, headed for self-awakening.”

That's not what faith in impermanence means. It means you can understand at least intellectually and have faith that everything, even mind, consciousness, arises and passes according to conditions and is not a knower, a subject, an unchanging soul, and so on. Meaning the anatta understanding understood conceptually and you have faith in that.

For me, I am pretty sure I became a faith follower or dharma follower destined to stream entry in the year 2006. I still proceeded into I AM phase in 2010 but because I am a 'faith follower' and then perhaps a 'dhamma follower', I then proceeded into direct realization of anatta in 8 months from I AM.

By contemplate, you mean think and/or investigate?

Eightfold path is summarised as sila samadhi prajna.

Conduct, samadhi / meditative composure, insight / wisdom are important.